Had an interesting discussion recently, or should I say I tried to, but in the end as always, God’s word is blameless, and men run for cover, but sadly there are no rocks large enough to hide the conscience under.
I say it is interesting because a so-called christian chided me for not agreeing with atheists who ‘know’ that Adam, Noah, Moses, Daniel, Jonah, and of course the Lord Himself were rather extreme embellishments of scripture, left up to the interpretation of they with the cleverest minds; people of poetry or inspiration as it were, not real, never existed. Uh, nno.
It is pointless to link the poster’s essay, as entire sequences of comments have been hi-jacked, so the context is gone, and it would be shameful of me to send customers to a hardware store that is closed.
But folks confuse ‘arrogance’ with ‘confidence,’ and my surety is in the scriptures of truth, and that is without apology. Some people simply cannot tolerate the authority of scripture.
After a few traded comments, enjoy the brief interplay and draw your own conclusions.
CS sez:
Oh ok since I do not understand what a story is, I may as well congratulate you for erasing Daniel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and further say ‘nice work’ for thinking Daniel’s three friends were figments of someones wishful thinking.
Me? I’m stickin with the verifiable, reliable, and truthful accounts of scripture which are clearly understood.
And I’m thinking Christ Himself knows more about what a fable is; as a matter of fact, after His decease, He masterfully showed Himself alive after many infallible proofs…………but not to they who enjoyed their fables, no, but to His own people.
A free thought for you to enjoy.
Clare then sez:
Silly ColoStome! Are you still blithering?
The Devil uses you to drive people from the Truth of Christ. Atheists need only the haziest knowledge of geology or astronomy to know that Noah is not a historical figure. Your assertion that science is false, and scientists fools or liars, shows your beliefs are worthless, and so they imagine Christianity is worthless. Turn to Christ!
CS sez:
Thank you clare for providing a great service here.
Your claim of ‘atheists’ having a better handle on the truth of scripture than a believer……………..is almost worthy of a useless plastic academy award.
Well done. And do get your facts straight. I never said ‘science is false.’ However, if they deny the truth of God, then yes, quite foolish, and if a ‘scientist’ says Moses never lived, then yes, he is either misinformed or a liar.
Simple really.
Clare sez further:
No, Christians know the truth of Scripture- Job, Jonah, fictional; Noah, Creation mythical: valuable stories, but not historical reality. It’s not hard, ColoStome: do keep up. And don’t claim I claim what I don’t claim-
Oops, that clause is quite gauche. I hope I don’t pick up any more of your writing habits.
CS sez:
Oh oh clare-
You forgot about the records of the life and times of man……………….
—Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about THIRTY years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
and following….aaaallllllll the way……to
the son of SHEM, the son of NOAH, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of ADAM, the son of God.
You see clare, one can erase Noah from a false reality………but not from the truth of scripture.
Birth records prove the wisdom of God, lest fools be quick to open their mouths.
The genealogies of scripture silence all foolishness.
(and btw, don’t you just love that ‘as was supposed’ the son of Joseph, citing the virgin birth and awesomeness of God.
Thus ends a short dialog with a professing christian who has a confederacy with the self-described intellectuals, aka, atheists. If you needed help with a scripture interpretation, who ya gonna call……………an atheist who believes Moses never lived, a christian who says Jonah is a fishy tale, or a believer who says the words of Christ Himself are proof enough as to the veracity of Moses and Jonah? Heck, don’t call anybody, the scriptures provide all that is necessary.
The Lions Den 
rings of my post from the other day “to infer” based on Tozer’s premise that God is beyond the minds of man—He is bigger, greater, more than…He is beyond and without time or sequence—so we are left to conceptualize, to compartmentalize and to “infer” words and ideas to that which is beyond the capacity of our limited thoughts and mind—which often get us into trouble —as we once again try to put God–the omnipotent Alpha and Omega into a neat and orderly box—isn’t happening…
I do not put God nor those men and woman who throughout the ages have lived and died, fought and proclaimed His name into the category of the mythological—shame on any “Christian” who does….
(here’s the fyi post:
https://cookiecrumbstoliveby.wordpress.com/2016/01/11/to-infer/ )
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Loved your last sentence here immensely jewels. And tks for the link; I did see that earlier, but since it was more than crumbs……………..
Anybody else by the way not familiar with cookie, pop on over and say the quiet lion sent ya 😉
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quiet lion….hummmmm..how about a force to be reckoned with 🙂
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I’m being quiet on that one jewels. 😉
Have a great day!!!!!
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The self-professed Christians who treat the Bible as “filled with myths and legends” think that they are so smarter than the rest of us, but they have been deluded by the same spirit that guides the enemies of the Christian faith. Thank you, CS, for taking a stand. J.
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Yep, as if we can sit in judgment of God, and tell Him what is worthy of folklore. Please.
And appreciate your right hand as well salvage.
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Thank you for having these discussions, Colorstorm. I live in a place where first we start saying the bible is not the literal word of God, is is just full of metaphors and myths. Then we proceed to saying, “there are many paths to the Father.” Next comes, “there’s no need for conviction or recognition of sin, Jesus Christ just loves us all unconditionally.” And lastly we have, “His very name offends some people and we wouldn’t want to offend, so let’s just edit His name out completely.” It’s like dinner with no meat and vegetables or trying to fry ice or something. I’d laugh at the ridiculousness of it all, but the results are so tragic.
I suppose one could struggle with scripture or be unable to accept certain parts, but the bottom line is what happened on the cross and when that Truth goes by the wayside, all is truly lost.
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Yea ms bytes, it’s an ugly job and a thankless task, but some of us gotta do it eh…
One could only hope that a set of eyes here, or a set of ears there may become alert to the acts of miscreantcy, and wake up as it were to the concerted efforts of hearts apart from God.
Your ‘edit’ idea is all too true, and just proves God’s word is light years ahead.
‘Hath God said?’ Did He REALLY say ‘as it was in the days of Noah?’ Like duh, sounds like a clue.
Yep, but you are correct: don’t laugh, although he who sitteth in the heavens can do that, and perfectly I’m sure, without a shadow.
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So Colourstorm, if the majority of Jewish rabbis (learned men and women who have dedicated their lives to studying the Pentateuch, and have more invested in their story being true than you could ever hope to have in 10,000 lifetimes) have conceded there exists a completely alternative Jewish history, one backed up by mountains of archaeological evidence, why can’t you?
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Jz
Tkx for popping by.
But two key thoughts there: ‘majority,’ and ’10,ooo.’
Majority is always a weak barometer and falls to the pressure of the spiritually crafty when presented with truth that is timeless.
10,ooo lifetimes. Is that all? I have told you many times john, I do not care if a thousand scholars said Moses never lived, as the discussion here proved, God’s word is as certain as God Himself; that’s the whole point that His word is good, so unlike the creatures who have reasoned Him out of His own creation.
And by the way, once again I remind you of that giant of intellect and faith, the Austrian Jew, Dr. Alfred Edersheim, whose mammoth works: ‘Old Testament bible history,’ and
‘The life and times of Jesus the Messiah,’ have a way of silencing many a complaint and the very issues you raise.
But the post here suggests that answers from me or others are unnecessary when the scriptures are within reach.
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I dislike labels like “conservative” and “liberal” but sometimes they are useful. I was a “conservative” Christian attending a “liberal” college, dealing with a theological faculty who studied the Bible to examine its origins in myth and legend rather than its message. I had a friend at that college, a Conservative Jew, who disliked the local rabbi, whom he also found too “liberal” because of his attitude towards the Scriptures. In Christian and Jewish circles, some accept the Bible as true and some reject it as antiquated and out of date. Finding Jews who do not treat the Bible as God’s Word does not automatically cancel the Jews and Christians who trust the Word of God and its Truth. J.
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I’m smiling wryly salvagable at the idea of ‘mythery,’ no not ‘mystery with a lisp,’ but the idea of myths suggested by people who do not recognize the difference between the truth of scripture and urban legends.
Truth is always perverted, in every age. Connecting the dots of scripture is crucial to a sound faith. Remove the dots……….substitute new ones, and you have mythery.
But in reality, Adam was a TRUE legend, as in above all others. The first man? Now there was a specimen.
Remove God from the table, and you have all kind of myths.In societal circles today, believing in scripture is some how passe. Please.
Tkx S.
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People confusing arrogance with confidence are at pandemic levels these days, especially in discussions involving God and religion. It’s just odd to me your fellow conversationalist there can’t seem to grasp how silly she sounds claiming to be a Christian but only loyalty to bits and pieces of the Bible. It’s a pride issue no doubt and, like you said, a refusals to accept scriptural authority, but still fascinating to read comments like these.
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It is somewhat crazy trish that a person can be a believer and select ‘truth that is convenient,’ like a salad bar selection.
No, God’s word is not vegetables alone, but the fruit and the entire kitchen. If Noah did not live, then Houston we have a problem, for the Lord kind of spoke plainly about that time in the history of man. And the written genealogy confirms it.
If we have confidence, it is certainly not in ourselves, but in God who holds all things together.
The arrogance is not in being certain, but in denying the One who is certain.
‘No God?’ Yep, that is arrogance 101.
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I’ve always found meals limited to salads rather limiting, no matter how favorable its believers try and make them…;)
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Short and sweet T.
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That’s OK, ColorStorm, I will link it:
https://clareflourish.wordpress.com/2016/01/14/internet-interactions/
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For someone clare to think it important to address a post about ‘legends’ that I admire, and that you despise,
it’s quite odd to remove all context that gives these ‘legends’ their context, that shows scripture is just fine when left alone.
You thought it important at the time to address my comments, now foolishly remove any trace of the demolition of the ‘legends’ at your place.
Not too smart.
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Sorry clare, foolishness is a step up from stupid; it implies reasoned denials, where other stuff can be excused.
There is no excuse for taking a giant eraser to scripture to make it palatable.
Next thing you will say is Adam never lived………….that he was not created in the image of God………..that would be foolish now wouldn’t it…..
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Adam never lived, Colorstorm.
Repent! Open your eyes, and turn to Christ!
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Tkx for this Clare, but I will do you a favor and say nothing.
Perhaps someone else may say hello. (I do agree though that repentance is a good thing, but a man should be ashamed of turning FROM the truth)
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It is indeed a favour.
You see, I seek the truth, in all its numinous complexity. You assert a lie, that the Bible is literally true and entirely internally consistent. This enables you always to win arguments, but only in your own mind and those of people as deluded as you. I have just written another post on the pathology of people like you, for publication shortly.
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Luke
I almost do not know where to begin with your comment.
You a professed non believer, lecturing a believer for defending the claims of scripture, and somehow arguing for a professing believer who has no use for scripture?
Quite odd. Saying that Noah, Jonah, and Daniels friends never lived is citing the Lord Christ as a liar.
There is no other option.
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How about answering the question(s)?
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“How about answering the question(s)?”
I will. When one is trapped in the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party up is still up and down is still down, no matter what the masses say. God does not operate on a consensus, what He says simply is.
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You have a habit bytes of finishing a comment with flair and power.
That’s a load of truth there and the daily double of wisdom.History confirms the fact that the majority is usually out to lunch when dealing with spiritual matters.
Heck, wasn’t it the voice of the ‘many’ who cried ‘away with Him………….?’
‘……………..simply is.’ Love that.
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Geez, I need to amend my own comments. Supposed to read ‘ms bytes’ of course. That’s what i get for typing like Popeye. Sorry bout that, no disrespect intended at all.
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She? Oops, thought was a he, anyway, I stand with scripture, whereas you appear to fall for anything BUT scripture, even they who agree with your unbelief while using scripture.
Tis an old tale, and frankly, your excuses are repetitive and boring. Sorry, that’s the way it is.
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Oh, Trixie! Thank you! I said you would defend me, if you could be horrible to someone else.
I see CS has demoted me from “he/she” to “he”. This constant misgendering! It hurts so much!!!
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“It hurts so much!!!” – Embrace the pain – you do so enjoy wallowing in it. You went off on KIA without sufficient provocation, you overreacted and I called you on it – if that hurt your widdle feewings, maybe you should learn when to exercise your right to remain silent. You’re not on Wisp’s site now.
EDIT NOTE: I realize there is a small shouting match arch w-you and your friend here, but please, try to stay on point. No sense in going into the weeds any further.
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Still laughing at you, Tryxie.
Oh dear, oh dear, on topic. What can I say? Trying to get through to you is harder than trying to get through to ColorStorm!!
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If your laughter is as sincere as your tears, I’m sure I’m safe.
“Trying to get through to you is harder than trying to get through to ColorStorm!!” – Simple solution, don’t try.
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Tkx artch for the veiled compliment, even if not intentional.
Anchors for the soul are in fact immovable. Glad you noticed.
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