The ship of fools

Can you imagine Noah telling God: I can’t build the ark, I don’t have the internet to tell me how to build it.

Uh, that would be a big fat nnnnno. Yet we do have the internet that tells us he didn’t build it, or couldn’t build it. Meanwhile, the ship was more than sea worthy, as its construction had the blueprints of He who created water.

The short-sighted and selfish opinions of men who dare challenge God as to His doings, is distressing to say the least. I had a grown man once who happened to be some kind of engineer tell me that the table I painted, was not painted. A compliment to be sure, but his deceived persona was annoying as I only smiled.

Some people just don’t get it, and never will. God’s word is good. God does not consult with Dow Jones or NASDAQ to see if He needs to change something. The Dow will no doubt be in earthly awe when the ‘mark of the beast’ hits the streets, and people will pull their hair out because some will lose, and others win, as this paperless/buying/selling/ trading/ and money thing, which by the way, was told of thousands of years ago, and long before Bill Gates was in diapers, becomes the topic of the day, hitting every media circus on earth.

And of course the internet will once more be abuzz with the professional opinions of fools, with headlines such as: COMMON SENSE FINALLY COMES TO TRADING, or: THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE MARK, or: THE GERMAN MARK RETURNS, and of course the whole world will applaud such economic and societal breakthroughs. Or so they think.

But they will continue to mock Noah, God, his word, His promises, grace, truth, they will have utterly destroyed the truth of God’s rainbow in the heavens,  decadence will be multiplied, pure evil will be enjoyed, and everything that is OF God will be dubbed: ANTISCIENCE! Hilarious but pitiful.

And oh, then there is Israel, which will be labeled as the bane of all progress and is the reason for all the woes on earth. So an alert mind can readily see that whatever the topic on the table, be it Noah, rainbows, buying, selling, the nation of Israel, the end game is an assault on scripture generally, and an affront to the only God of heaven in particular.

But one can always avert such nonsensical influence, and see that God’s word is ever and always good. But the ship of fools?  It’s the USS DEVO, in which holds all passengers who will definitely drown…….but it doesn’t have to be.  (aka the little god science and devolution)

May I suggest a mutiny against the captains of atheism and evolution? Better yet, the true Captain of life bids you welcome, and sets a table prepared for you. Will you accept the invitation, and agree that the pride of life has caused your deafness, or will you pretend to play the violin as the ship of fools sinks….

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146 Responses to The ship of fools

  1. Excellent CS—nope…don’t think God needs google to sort it all out… 🙂

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  2. Ship ….of …..fools, in my opinion, has grown over time to planet.

    Regards and goodwill blogging

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  3. Well said. Like how that ark that God built stayed intact, while the Titanic that man built sunk. As our engineering advances, so too does our greed, our desire to take short cuts, to substitute cheap goods,and our failure to look out for ice bergs ahead.

    There’s a song I still kind of like, “Ship of fools” by World Party,
    “We’re setting sail to the place on the map
    from which no one has ever returned
    Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
    by the light of the crosses that burned.
    Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
    and the gold and the cotton and pearls… “

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Sweet. Titanic built by professionals.

      It’s been said that all modern ships are built on the specs of the ark. Of course God’s dimensions would be cargo friendly, sea worthy, and above all, structurally perfect.

      But why some have no interest in the rrrrrest of the story. Lol

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  4. sklyjd says:

    It’s been said that all modern ships are built on the specs of the ark. Ha Ha very funny CS.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      As to length, width, height, the proportion will always be correct.

      That is n, if you don’t want to sink. It’s kind of obvious that the Creator knew what He was doing, but this fact no doubt escapes you.

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      • sklyjd says:

        Plenty of boats around before the Noahs ark story CS, canoes have been found that were constructed somewhere between 8200 and 7600 BC. By around 3000 BC, Ancient Egyptians knew how to assemble wooden planks into a hull. However, around 1300 to 1000 B.C. “The Epic of Gilgamesh” was to have taken place, you should have a read of this because they knew how to build a big boat exactly like the Ark even then and this guy Gilgamesh was a really interesting king.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Oh brother. The ‘Epic’ also proved there was a flood. Obviously that was the reporting of the best they knew, but scripture gave details that were only knowable because of the source.

          Deal with it. Perhaps you need to board a liner and get lost in the incomprehensible volume of water.

          And the post here is about the truth of scripture in ALL its aspects, of which the family of Noah is one small part.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          Gilgamesh was somewhere in the neighborhood of nine feet tall. Relative of Goliath, perhaps?

          What was interesting about Gilgamesh? He died a fatalist, believing this life is all that there is.

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  5. ColorStorm says:

    Here’s your theology in nutshell:

    You recognize no one greater than yourself. You don’t recognize the Creator because you are god, small g.

    To be pitied. Btw, there is more true science in scripture than could be written by all your godless heroes combined, including Degrass the clown, Nye the liar, Dawkins,
    Hawkins, etc, combined.

    Again, this post proves the truthfulness of scripture in every regard. Newsflash: cashless society predicted long before the printing press was invented. Of course, as He who is outside of time said so.

    Time to wake up!!

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  6. sklyjd says:

    “Biblicist: a person who interprets the Bible literally.” (Google)

    Fancy that, how far do you go with that? I guess for a start you will not have given away all your possessions and riches considering you have a computer to spread what is your obsession on an internet connection.

    There are many things written in the Bible that I do hope you do not follow, but I expect your evolved sense of decency and morals will have some effect on your decision making and it should at least keep you out of jail.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      I suggest you read steve the book of Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Corinthians 13, so sure, there is plenty of instruction how believers are to behave without being lectured by unbelievers.

      I do suggest however you get a grip on what meaneth GRACE.

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      • sklyjd says:

        Yes CS grace has been explained to me and it appears simply as an excuse to accidently continue your sinful life style or commit a crime and then be able to beg forgiveness. I say this because I cannot understand why a starving Hindu child should die and go to hell for eternity because they are not Christian when an American convict on death row can repent his sins to God and become a Christian to be saved and sit next to the Lord after his execution?

        For Biblicists such as yourself I actually took the meaning literally. What I think is that it is impossible considering children and women would suffer the most from discrimination, beatings, rape and death, therefore it is morally corrupt would you not say?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Try to stay focused steve.

          Sideshows do not impress me. The truthfulness and complete consistency of scripture from Genesis 1.1 to the Revelation is kind of obvious.

          Only a passenger on the ship of fools would disagree. Sorry, but we tell the truth around here.

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        • sklyjd says:

          “The truthfulness and complete consistency of scripture from Genesis 1.1 to the Revelation is kind of obvious.”

          And as a Biblicist do you agree and feel you could believe and uphold every single word that is written without question? Nobody could CS not even a super cat like yourself. It has been tried and has always failed in tragedy.

          “Sorry, but we tell the truth around here.” Really?

          If you removed your blinkered views of what is really going on and the plugs from your ears most of the world you would find does not agree with you, even though Christianity is the only religion that teaches man can do nothing to earn or pay his way into heaven, there are other Christians who have different interpretations of the Bible than you do, and the many other religions have some form of good deeds within their doctrines.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Steve.

          I’m trying real hard to be patient.

          The bible is God’s word. The Creator. Smart people do not disagree. The human brain and conscience knows this. On the bedside stand at the hotel for weary travelers, there is not a comic book left by the owner.

          Scripture does not depend on me to make it true. It is entirely true if nobody believes it. You talk in tongues and circles more than charasmatics.

          There is no marksman on earth who could hit the exact center of the red bull at 50 yds every time, yet still be a veteran archer. God’s word is that center; of course all men fail, but we understand the nature of a loving God and press on without fearing punishment as you assert. As to different interpretations, so what? It’s called growing, and forbearing differences. I am well aware of what battles are worthy of engagement. Grape juice vs. wine is not one of them.

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        • sklyjd says:

          Ok I understand that every Christian cannot be perfect but many likely do try to be. This can be a good thing for some people I grant you that, however when you have a conflict in terms for emotionally understanding the Bible like these three very nice quotes:

          Proverbs 8:17 “I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.”

          Mark 12:31 “The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

          1 Corinthians 13:13 “So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”

          And then you get these conflicting quotes.

          1 Corinthians 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

          Leviticus 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”

          This is a contrast that is beyond explanation, it is a complete mess when on one hand you must love your neighbour as yourself as there is no greater command, and love is the greatest of all. Those bold declarations mean to me literally everyone regardless of their sexual situation. But then when everyone thought they could at least bask in the love of God he throws out the bathwater.

          God says not just homosexuals but a whole raft of people will not get to heaven such as a thief or drunkard and you only have to ask forgiveness and you are good to go. Is this the same law for homosexuals? A drunkard may try hard to not get drunk but eventually fails but just needs to repent and ask for forgiveness, and a homosexual will try hard to avoid his partner, but he also fails, repents and asks for forgiveness, so what is the difference? Why just persecute the homosexual to the ends of the Earth but not the drunkards, the adulterers or the thieves?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Let’s make this easy.

          You try to understand calculus when you can’t count to three. Are you beginning to see your spiritual understanding?

          The fear of the Lotd is the beginning of wisdom. The BEGINNING. If you cannot give God at least the courtesy of existing in His own creation……you may as well try to teach an ape how to tie his shoes.

          Do you not see your own dilemma you have created? Rest assured Gods word is not difficult to understand.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Steve, by your own admission you have never read the Bible completely yet you think you are qualified to teach believers what it means? Use your God-given brain, Steve, and think for yourself. The only thing you EVER put in comments is thoughts others have given you. You WON”T use your own brain, however, because you know darn well where that would take you. There is only one place you can go when you actually think for yourself.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Reading the bible, carefully and thoroughly is probably the single biggest reason why Christians deconvert.
          You obviously do not read it carefully, as you demonstrate time and again you lack of understanding in what is written.
          You claim a literal interpretation is correct, when even someone such as Tertullian thought such an idea was daft.
          You believe the Flood was a literal occurrence. And even though you accept this tale (as you do others) based solely on faith, you have not the intellectual integrity to bother to verify any of the details, which would demonstrate such a tale is nothing but nonsense.

          And this is why you don’t read the bible carefully or honestly as ”There is only one place you can go when you actually think for yourself.”
          and that would be you would deconvert.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Thank you ark.

          You have inadvertently admitted that all passengers on the ship of fools are decons. That is funny actually. Sad but still hilarious.

          God’s word has secured the finest of places in the hearts of men. These men include Physicians, nurses, surgeons, (health) Lawyers, (law) Surveyors (geography) Farmers, Botanists, (agriculture) Captains, Fishermen, (hydrologists) Engineers, (draftsmen, builders, carpenters) etc etc

          You see, every field and discipline of studious and fair minded people admit and agree as to the Creator and owner of life as demonstrated and proven in the reliability of scripture.

          Still changing hearts, Still changing stubborn minds. Still satiating every desire of man, and demolishing the little god false science in the process.

          (btw, a man may deconvert from a false position, but no sane mind could fault God or scripture. This is a fact. The book of Jude agrees)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Yes, your flowery rhetoric is to be expected.
          However, if memory serves, the water covered the mountains to a depth/height of 15 cubits or thereabouts and this height is more or less the height the average commercial airliner flies.
          You don’t need a course in basic aeronautics to understand the ramifications of this surely?

          They would have frozen to death for one thing.

          So stop being an apologetic half wit and at least recognise the story is a fiction.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          See, you can actually be more civil if you try. Still wrong but civil.

          Perhaps science has eluded you doug as to the amount of WATER in the world, both below, and above.

          Maybe you need to be caught in a torrential downpour and see first hand what a mere few inches of rain can do in minutes……..the massive flooding…..as opposed to 40 days AND forty days of nonstop water.

          The fountains below per Genesis; as proven a few years ago as existed by scientists. Hmmmm, how could stone age ignorant men possibly know of the fountains of the great deep long before a printing press, and ages before Jack Cousteau wore his first diaper…………..

          …………unless, God’s word is true. Of course its true. Some day you just may join the ranks of the learned since God owns all intelligence, it’s a good thing to agree with Him; such is true wisdom.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The bible states the water rose above the mountains to a height of 15 cubits.
          The ark’s occupants would likely have frozen to death.
          That really is all one needs to demonstrate how ridiculous the tale is.

          Let’s be honest about this fact first shall we before we get on to the geology of rock bound water?
          If you cannot answer this scientific fact with any degree of integrity then what is one to think about your personal honesty?

          And isn’t about time you rebuked Wally for his daft belief that humans and dinosaurs co-existed?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Honesty Doug? Uh hello? There is no other source book available on earth such as God’s word.

          As to Wally, if you want to have that discussion pers Dino’s, I suggest you talk to someone who has seen them. I have no time for endless speculation as I’ve said before.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Fair enough – ”God’s word”
          Now, at 15 cubits above the top of the mountains the ambient temperature would be around minus 40 degrees (Celsius/Fahrenheit)
          Most if not all of the animals in the ark would likely have frozen to death – certainly the mammals from the temperate zones and the tropics..
          Now please address this issue with some degree of honesty. We wouldn’t want to be calling you disingenuous or worse a liar once more now would we?

          Re: The Wally. So are you saying because no one has seen a (live) dinosaur then you are quite happy to believe they co-existed with humans?
          And thus you must therefore, reject the fossil evidence.
          Again, it would be preferable if you also addressed this issue with honesty and integrity rather than hand waving it as a way of avoiding any need to rebuke Wally for his ignorant, unscientific, and patently false belief.
          Thanks.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ah yes, you are talking about the world that then was. With men living to the ripe age of 900+ and water pouring from above and below.

          So it seems to be quite easy to believe that the Maker of water could perfectly maintain His climate and temperature to ensure the family of Mr Noah and friends survived per His promise.

          As to your other, I actually have no idea what W thinks, but I’ll tell u this: I had a painted table on display at a show, and some hotshot engineer called me a liar- said it wasn’t painted.

          The highest of compliments to be sure, so yeah, men’s opinions are overrated- hope u see the connection w- records.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Ah … so he also included all the seeds for all the plants that were contained in all the world too.
          Okay.

          So no evidence, a rejection of science and a final hand wave.

          Do you accept fossil evidence for dinosaurs?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          The master gardener and landscaper is well aware how to maintain a terrarium.

          I’m asking u politely to cease re the dino thing- a non issue and if I were you, I’d focus on the 10,000 answers already given.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The ”dino” thing is crucial as the fossil record bears witness to the incredible age of the earth and also to these marvelous creatures that once held dominion over the planet, and also gives us excellent evidence for evolution.
          Your continual desire to hand wave them away tells me you are afraid to face the consequences of what an open discussion about the dinosaurs will inevitably reveal.

          This fear is also the reason you refuse to rebuke Wally for his Young Earth Creationist beliefs.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          For the love of God ark- u don’t believe God’s word that has a thousand per cent accuracy.

          You specialize in the dubious, and ignore the obvious.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I grant you your right to beleive this, but you must then you must face the question of the dinosaurs with equal conviction and at least make an answer regarding whether humans and dinosaurs co-existed.
          The evidence lies in the fossils for all to see.
          It cannot be swept under the carpet.
          For goodness sake, man, stop hand waving and have the decency to face this issue with the degree of honesty and integrity you continually demand of me.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ark, it makes me no less credible as to the saurs- I wasn’t there. Do you believe Goliath of Gath lived at over 9 ft tall, having even more evidence?

          Do u not see why ur query is pointless? Records, no records, all subject to the interpretation of they holding the cards.

          I even told u the HGP was mistaken, yet you hang your hat on that because you agree, not because it’s correct.

          Your greater concern should be Adam and his posterity.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          There is no evidence for Goliath.
          We have the evidence for dinosaurs – the FOSSILS.

          There is no need for interpretation.
          The fossils prove the existence of the dinosaurs.

          Now, stop avoiding the issue and deal with it.
          Address the issue of dinosaurs co existing with humans.:
          Do you accept that they lived at the same time yes or no?
          And provide evidence with your answer.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ok ark- no more talk of Dino’s- u will not believe the credibility of the 9 ft goon having all the proof- yet u persist in the small talk of big lizards having zero proof.

          Ship of fools…

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        • Arkenaten says:

          yet u persist in the small talk of big lizards having zero proof.

          I would like you to clarify this comment, please John.
          Are you saying there is no proof of dinosaurs?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I’m saying it is irrelevant. A 6 inch or hundred ft Liz- means nothing to me.

          We may as well be talking about the obscure unicorn, behemoth, or leviathan.

          I know what is worthy of long term dialog, and dino***** are waaay at the bottom, especially in this post, where I proved all else.

          Namely, if the record of historical fact does not move you, it’s no wonder you would expect to cause a sideshow.

          I don’t like reindeer games- now respect my request already.

          Maybe write your own post?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I’m saying it is irrelevant. A 6 inch or hundred ft- means nothing to me.

          The subject is extremely important as it undermines much of what Young Earth Creationism postulates as fact.
          So, The question I asked you to clarify is: are you saying there is no proof of the dinosaurs.
          If you refuse to answer I can only assume you are being disingenuous or, and I sincerely hope this is not the case …. telling lies.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ark- read my comments on this thread. Read the post. I will not follow your trail of irrelevance to fuel your circus. Most fair minded people following along know I have made the case.

          As to the age of the earth, I have said on Numerous occasions I don’t know.

          Tkx for abiding by the blog host’s desire. No interest in Din****** here.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You haven’t stated ”your case”.
          What you have done though, is obfuscate avoid hand wave and basically do everything you can to avoid addressing the question.
          While you certainly haven’t lied you have in no way been honest.
          But then, this is where you excel is it not?
          Maybe your ”crew” will cheer along from the side lines, maybe you will think yourself clever?
          Paul suggested it was okay to lie and so did Eusebius, so I guess you consider you are in exulted company?

          However you wish to look at it, you are dishonest.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Do tell where Paul authorized lying. This ought to be hilarious for he said: Let every man speak truth with his neighbor, and let every man put away lying…….

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Again, you avoid the question of dinosaurs demonstrating once more that you are dishonest.
          Well done.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Whoa cowboy- you said on THIS thread that Paul ok’d lying, in a post in which I stressed the truth.

          The truth of scripture is the issue- not you antics of unprovable theories.

          So WHERE did Paul approve lying? A worldwide audience awaits. You made the charge, so accept the consequences

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        • Arkenaten says:

          If you are unaware of the verse then perhaps you don’t know the bible as well as you think?
          But that is irrelevant to the dinosaurs other than to suggest you keep ”good company” (sic) with your obfuscation and dishonesty. So address the dinosaur issue first and then maybe we can tackle the subject of Paul, okay?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Why have you refused to release comments currently held in moderation?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          My generosity has been overflowing with your commentary ark. I have said enough, and have also told you THIS thread is no venue for that.

          That topic is not germane to the ‘ship.’ I asked you to stop in the persistence. You refused.

          Your few sitting on the rocks is proof that u do not listen, but you have already repeated your points over and over.

          Wait til I do an isolated post on that or do one yourself. Tks.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I appreciate your continual desire not to reference dinosaurs, but as Noah’s Ark is raised in the post and your comment:
          ” …..they will continue to mock Noah, …. then your position on the dinosaurs is extremely important.

          Aside from the fact geology has demonstrated the Biblical flood account is simply myth, the dinosaurs are neither included in the species taken aboard the ark nor are they even alluded to.
          And let’s be honest, if humans were aware of their presence a 30ft Tyrannosaurs is hardly something that would go unnoticed, as I am sure you would agree.
          And of course, we have thousands upon thousands of fossils to prove their existence.

          So they are indeed germane to the post, which is why I am asking for your position on them and their claimed co-existence with humans by the likes of Wally and other YECs.
          I will indeed relish a dedicated post on this topic.
          However, in the meantime:
          a) Are you denying their existence?
          b) Do you consider they inhabited the earth alongside human beings?

          Thanks

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        • sklyjd says:

          “The fountains below per Genesis; as proven a few years ago as existed by scientists. Hmmmm, how could stone age ignorant men possibly know of the fountains of the great deep long before a printing press, and ages before Jack Cousteau wore his first diaper”

          Maybe because they used to dig down into the ground to find water and build wells. Logical is it not?

          I seriously doubt that kangaroos, koala bears, kiwis, penguins and butterflies could have made it to the middle east to get on the ark, never mind find their own countries when they got off the ark, they could not read a compass and many animals such as a tortoise would have taken many thousands of years to get there even if it could swim an ocean.

          Well I suppose if God was the creator of the flood and was supposed to have steered this boat from heaven why did he not do a miracle such as simply kill the people he had a beef with, after all he had done that without any problems to entire cities. He could have just created a disease that would have killed humans only because why did the remaining animals have to die as well?

          He could also have divinely fed the animals on the ark for a year, shrunk them down for a year into the size of mice. However as supernatural miracles are invoked to explain various things it can be used to explain everything that is impossible.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Stop embarrassing yourself Steve. The point is scripture is faithful in telling that which no man could have known.

          What SUBMARINE existed six thousand years ago wherein the fountains under the deepest oceans run their course?

          Scripture is good, and shuts the mouths on all passengers aboard the ship of fools.

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        • sklyjd says:

          Submarines were not required to believe water came from under the ground. Man knew this before your version of the Earth was created.

          “Wells were first constructed at least eight thousand years ago and historically vary in construction from a simple scoop in the sediment of a dry watercourse to the qanats of Iran, and the stepwells and sakiehs of India. Placing a lining in the well shaft helps create stability, and linings of wood or wickerwork date back at least as far as the Iron Age.” (Wikipedia)

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Fountains of the great deep Steve. Under the oceans. Ever heard of Mt Everest? Yeah, that deep- things impossible to know.

          Get your head out of the fog of arrogance and give the Creator the benefit of actually knowing more than you. Sheesh.

          The instability of the atheist mind is stunning. Btw, I do not care what wiki says in this regard. God’s word is always correct, in every topic therein.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          What’s a matter Ark? Your little puppet on a string finally look so stupid you had to intervene?

          Let Steve defend his own stupidity.

          He admits to having never read it yet corrects us on it

          That is just stupid.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Steve is defends his position perfectly well.
          There are plenty of places on the internet where one can read as much or as little as one wishes.
          I read it all because I felt like it. You probably haven’t and you certainly haven’t read it. And even if it turns out you have read it all, cover to cover, you certainly haven’t read it honestly or even understood it either.

          Anyway,one doesn’t have to have read the entire bible to refute most of the major silly things you believe.

          I was not defending Steve at all, merely demonstrating just how blatantly ignorant you are about the ”book” you revere so much.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          So your basic position is that anybody who fails to reach the same conclusion as you either has not read or has not understood.

          Got it.

          Meanwhile Steve still looks stupid to counsel people on a book he has not read by his own admission.

          Your little indoctrinated puppet has gone rogue lol. Better catch him before he provides yet more proof that atheism is void and nonsensical

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        • Arkenaten says:

          So your basic position is that anybody who fails to reach the same conclusion as you either has not read or has not understood.

          Correct.
          And we must accept that indoctrination plays a role as well.

          Meanwhile Steve still looks stupid to counsel people on a book he has not read by his own admission.

          Not in the least. As far as I have read, Steve refutes every biblical/christian claim that you ( and others) insist are legit.

          You, fr example, are a biblical innerantist and Young Earth Creationist thus you are even more ignorant and have even less grounds to criticize Steve for anything concerning the text.
          For goodness sake, even folk such as Tertullian and Origen recognized that the bible was not meant to be taken literally.

          All you are able to do is go off on a bender rant and stamp your foot.
          Why don’t you offer evidence for your belief that EDIT (APPARENTLY YOU ARE NOT LISTENING)………….. co existed?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Lol. Actually you seem to be the agitated one.

          And I rest my case. Steve looks like an ignorant blowhard. Once he actually reads the text he blabber about he can speak about it. And your blind support his level of ignorance raises you to it.

          Comment stands

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No, Wally. As a YEC you are in no position whatsoever to judge or criticize Steve, simply because of your YEC standpoint which epitomizes your gross ignorance concerning the text itself.
          That you refuse to engage on the dinosaur issue is evidence enough of your fear to face reality.

          And that stands.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          I have every right to tell Steve and you what I think. You certainly wish I didn’t but at this point i do. But even if you and your pack of haters take that right, God’s Word won’t be muted by the likes of you and crew.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Yes, of course you have every right. But the problem is that you cannot support any claim you make with evidence. And that is the crucial point.
          Neither of us ”hates” gods, not yours’ or anyone else’s and that you now have to resort to this pathetic nonsense demonstrates once more that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or any evidence to support your beliefs.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Lol. Steve can’t support any claim about the Bible that he makes since he BY HIS OWN ADMISSION has never read it.

          He relies in people like you to soon feed him his thoughts. And since you are a Biblical illiterate he looks like a dunce. You should really use this time to retrain your puppet as he is embarrassing you and by your blind defense if him you continue to prove the utter stupidity, voidness and incoherence of atheism.

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  7. “What I think is that it is impossible considering children and women would suffer the most from discrimination, beatings, rape and death, therefore it is morally corrupt would you not say?”

    Ironically those who suffer the most under Christian values are actually men. Harsh, but true. Statistics bear this out, men are some 20 times more likely to be a victim of homicide, a casualty of war, a victim of suicide, a victim of crime, and incarcerated. In fact, the very reason why we care so much more about those women and kids who do get hurt is actually evidence of our Christian values.

    We do too, value women and kids more, and we shouldn’t be ashamed of it, because the very fact that that Hindu girl dying troubles us is evidence of our faith and the One who also cared and gave His own life to redeem us.

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    • sklyjd says:

      “Ironically those who suffer the most under Christian values are actually men.”

      I do not doubt your claim IB,

      “In fact, the very reason why we care so much more about those women and kids who do get hurt is actually evidence of our Christian values.”

      This is very doubtful evidence considering the men have protected their families and fought wars since they walked the Earth well before Christianity. Male lions also protect their pride without Biblical influence, it is in mans DNA evolved from our earliest ancestors.

      “because the very fact that that Hindu girl dying troubles us is evidence of our faith and the One who also cared and gave His own life to redeem us.”

      I seriously cannot see how that can be evidence of anything but a sad loss of life. A Hindu girl dying is a tragedy for all of us, so how can it be evidence of your faith? It would be if God had come to Earth and given her a fish and some bread, but we know that is a myth, therefore her God and your God between them could do nothing for her, not a chance of life but a proposed Christian hell for eternity or a Hindu rebirth but regardless along with thousands of others she starved to death, and likely to have been in much pain.

      It is ridiculously easy for Christians to say that unfortunately this girl goes to hell because she did not seek our God, and this is God’s plan, however God is always good to a well fed obese middle aged American employee simply because he prayed to God so that his arthritis was healed, and another man claimed from his heart felt prayers to God, he had saved his house from a falling branch during the storm, and on it goes.

      How more illogical and corrupt can all religious ideologies ever be.

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      • “A Hindu girl dying is a tragedy for all of us, so how can it be evidence of your faith?”

        Well, what makes it a tragedy? I think it’s a tragedy because a child made in the image of God did not have the chance to live a long life full of purpose and meaning. But if you are an atheist, then how can it be a tragedy when it means nothing more than a random bit of biological cells has now ceased to exist?

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        • sklyjd says:

          “Well, what makes it a tragedy? I think it’s a tragedy because a child made in the image of God did not have the chance to live a long life full of purpose and meaning. But if you are an atheist, then how can it be a tragedy when it means nothing more than a random bit of biological cells has now ceased to exist?”

          I do not know what makes you believe that atheists would consider life is a random bit of biological cells? Truth is, atheists cherish every minute they are alive because they do not hold onto the falsity of another life after death.

          The purpose and meaning of life for people in the lucky countries is what you as an individual want to make of it and with the best health systems, an income, government assistance and living in relevant safety we have many opportunities and we know we will never die due to an empty stomach.

          The tragedy of this occurrence is the belief that God designed it so that she would die from hunger and in pain. If this girl had been lucky enough to be born in Australia she would have had a full life without any doubt. Therefore, your Christian reasoning for Gods plan is at best a ridiculous concept but a convenient excuse to wave away any of the horrendous events that happen to human life or our planet, regardless if it is a Hindu girl dying or uncle Fred dying from an ingrown toenail.

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        • “The tragedy of this occurrence is the belief that God designed it so that she would die from hunger and in pain.”

          Well, I think the part that is irrational about that, if you don’t believe in God, then you have to admit that the people who “designed a system that would allow a girl to die hungry and in pain,” is actually US people.

          So we people tend to blame a God we refuse to believe in for a tragedy we ourselves created through our own neglect, and then we congratulate ourselves for rejecting God and the girl dies anyway.

          That’s just cray cray.

          Far better to believe in God, to honor that child as being made in His image, and to join with your brothers and sisters who are actually working very hard to feed the hungry and heal the sick.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          3rd paragraph is sooooo good.

          It’s a gift for you Steve; open carefully.

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        • sklyjd says:

          That is such a simple explanation IB, what about the fact that your God who knows everything before it happens and even knows how many hairs are on your head etc, etc?

          So, you are saying God had no foresight or absolutely no control over any humans and considering humans are responsible for starving people to death does this become the same old rhetoric of “Gods plan” or alternatively does he not care or even exist?

          Have you IB, as an in depth thinker that I know you to be, ever given this serious thought in consideration as to how the world actually works, especially within the realms of death and destruction, because I see no spiritual controlling influence of any description only when the effects of man are involved of course?

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        • I believe God does have foresight and the power to intervene in human lives when He sees fit. A bit like a child who does not always understand their parents, it is hard for us to see the whole picture and to understand things from God’s perspective.

          In order to get more wisdom about why God might intervene in some ways, but not always in the ways we believe He should, we have to humble ourselves and trust in His wisdom. The world is a bit like a jenga puzzle or an elaborate grid. We cannot see all the cause and effect going on and we do not perceive things with eternal eyes, we do not realize that our lives are just a moment in time and not the whole story.

          There’s a great philosophical question, you’ve probably already heard, but if you encountered the baby Hitler, would you kill him, knowing what you know about his future? Would you execute an innocent child to prevent the holocaust? How would that alter the course of mankind? Would you be guilty of murder? What if you chose not to kill him,knowing full well he goes onto to murder millions? Are you now complicit in the holocaust? Did your lack of action aid and abet a genocide? Or, if you had taken out Hitler, did you just enable a dozen much worse tyrants rise to power to exploit a now naive population that doesn’t even know what a “Hitler” is?

          We can go down that rabbit hole for miles exploring many ethical and moral considerations, but the point of the exercise is to help us understand that we are not God, that the wisdom required to sort out these kinds of moral issues simply exceeds our ethical capabilities.

          We haven’t got the right to judge God or to criticize Him, because a bit like small children all we can see is our own immediate needs and we just want the hunger to stop and the illness to go away.

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        • sklyjd says:

          “I believe God does have foresight and the power to intervene in human lives when He sees fit. A bit like a child who does not always understand their parents, it is hard for us to see the whole picture and to understand things from God’s perspective.”

          Are we all not supposed to be God’s children? Is it not God who supposedly bought morals into the world? Is it not God who said he loves everyone, is that supposed to be taken as gospel or maybe there is some doubt in that?

          How can Christians believe God will heal some 60 year old of lung cancer who is in a modern hospital with modern drugs as a miracle just because you prayed, yet so much else in the world is deserving of a miracle but is totally ignored. It is without any foundation to claim that God may intervene when he sees fit or hard for us to see or understand the whole picture from God’s perspective.

          Such as If I watched from the river bank 2 people drowning would I save the old man or the child? If I saved the child from drowning and the old man was saved by hanging on to a floating log passing his way this is what you would claim as Gods intervention when it is clearly seen that the old man was simply very lucky, however while this drama unfolds it is unfortunate that the 2 year old child in the family home just around the corner who at the time is being beaten to death by her father did not qualify this time.

          “we have to humble ourselves and trust in His wisdom. The world is a bit like a jenga puzzle or an elaborate grid. We cannot see all the cause and effect going on and we do not perceive things with eternal eyes, we do not realize that our lives are just a moment in time and not the whole story.”

          Not one word of fact or evidence regarding this statement exists. You can read your Bible and claim anything you like until you are blue in the face, but it does not change reality.

          “There’s a great philosophical question, you’ve probably already heard, but if you encountered the baby Hitler, would you kill him, knowing what you know about his future? Would you execute an innocent child to prevent the holocaust? How would that alter the course of mankind? Would you be guilty of murder? What if you chose not to kill him, knowing full well he goes onto to murder millions? Are you now complicit in the holocaust? Did your lack of action aid and abet a genocide?”

          In such a high tech time traveling decade it is likely young Hitler could have been administered a mind altering drug by the time traveller that would make young Adolf into a man of peace. The question should really be if God knew what this child was going to be born and what atrocities he was to do to his chosen people as an adult why did he not have him die at birth or killed as a soldier in the first world war?

          “but the point of the exercise is to help us understand that we are not God, the wisdom required to sort out these kinds of moral issues simply exceeds our ethical capabilities.”

          Obviously that applies to your God as well, he has allowed many hundreds of idiots to kill millions, where is this wisdom?

          “We haven’t got the right to judge God or to criticize Him, because a bit like small children all we can see is our own immediate needs and we just want the hunger to stop and the illness to go away.”

          That is the point, I will always judge your God and every other God on Earth because they are the excuses religions use for everything that happens. I also do not believe I am so childish that I do not understand what and why things happen around me right now in the land of reality, and as I have always said all gods are located firmly between the ears of a human.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I just have to say Steve, every word you say, every single time, can be plugged and played by any atheist.

          Yet you fail to see how believers comments and posts tear to shreds the world views of atheists every single time. Why?

          Because light exposes darkness. I’m sorry but you are truly clueless as to scripture and the ONLY living God.

          You may actually want to try reading God!s word , because your remarks reveal zero comprehension. Not an insult, just the facts.

          I’ll keave you alone in the hands of the good lady but hope -19 is the year you wake up.

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        • sklyjd says:

          Your life is slow cruising up high at Gods level on a delicate and magical soft white fluffy heavenly pillow type of cloud CS, you have no down to Earth answers to atheists realistic views of life apart from total condemnation and hand waving, however that does not matter to you at all as everything you have undying faith in and what you say is the absolute truth for the whole world, no matter what the contrary evidence may be and where it comes from, right?

          By the way I am awake, but it really is my bed time, plus the few beers I had are not helping me to keep me awake.

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        • “That is the point, I will always judge your God and every other God on Earth because they are the excuses religions use for everything that happens.”

          That is actually the atheist mindset, not the Christian one. Those of us in faith already know why the world is as it is, and we don’t blame God. We know we ourselves are responsible and without excuse for having let it happen.

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  8. Arkenaten says:

    See! Coward and a liar! Well done!

    EDIT: CTOM IS CORRECT. I DO NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE OF JOB, AND PER MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, I SAID IF YOU MENTIONED ‘MENTAL ILLNESS ONE MORE TIME………..’ YOUR COMMENTS WOULD GO BY THE WAYSIDE.’ I have therefore kept my promise, yet you persist, albeit the accusation of ‘liar’ is just as bad.. Maybe some time in the ‘time out corner’ will do you some good, but do take this as an invitation to wait for another post.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Can I please refer you once more to the man born blind who saw the color blue for the first time; instead of the ‘learned ones’ being genuinely happy for him, they accused him of lying.

      I have told you the truth every time. Apparently you do not like blue.

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  9. Tricia says:

    Sorry I’m a little late to the party CS, it seems some of your guests tried to burn the house down. The USS DEVO reminds me a bit of the Titanic, that giant symbol of man’s hubris and pride that went down as the band played on til the end.

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  10. Arkenaten says:

    @ IB

    We know we ourselves are responsible and without excuse for having let it happen.

    So your god gives us Free Will, which, bearing in mind he already knows what we will do before we even do it, which suggests free will probably isn’t as ”free” as we might think. To top it all, he then condemns us for screwing up and sends us to hell for not believing in him when all along he knew what the outcome was.
    So, how is your god just? Please explain.

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  11. sklyjd says:

    @IB “That is actually the atheist mindset, not the Christian one. Those of us in faith already know why the world is as it is, and we don’t blame God. We know we ourselves are responsible and without excuse for having let it happen.”

    Please enlighten me, you do not blame God for anything bad happening, however he is often cited as the reasoning for many of the good things that happen in life. You are blaming humanity for all the bad things that happen as you consider God is blameless, so can you also hold humanity responsible for any of the good things as well?

    Where do you actually draw the line, because if God knows everything before it happens who is really in control and who is responsible here?

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  12. sklyjd says:

    Wally. As Ark pointed out, you only want to interpret the Bible as to what your ideology demands and what suits you, therefore you along with the many thousands of Christian denominations can manipulate the Biblical jargon to suit yourselves.

    If you could actually read it with a clear unobstructed mind you may be able to identify the myths, the fraud and the ancient beliefs and be able to see where the real evidence exists, what is factual, realistic and how logic and reasoning work in a clear light.

    (EDITORS CHOICE- Outside of scripture there is no clear light. Fact)

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  13. crh060396 says:

    Love your style of writing! Really enjoyed reading this 🙂 thanks.

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