Risky business these assumptions

(I promised this to a few people. Ask yourself though if this is important, and if you and I are on the correct side of ‘science,’ keeping in mind God says there is ‘science falsely so-called.’  But do take note of the exaggerated pic at the outset and how ‘globularity’ is forced upon the brain, and THAT with purpose.  Enjoy.)

Had the privilege the other day of engaging in a rare face-to-face discussion with a thoughtful fellow about this that, and the other. It is the ‘other’ that allowed me some finer thoughts on bias, perception, and strongholds which people have for well, no other reason than the illusion of mental safety, and the protection of long-held ideals.

Conversations flow naturally like water, and take unexpected turns like a whitetail deer on high alert, so the topic of religion popped up, (ha, it wasn’t my idea!) and I asked him to explain the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Without hesitation he assured me it was the virgin giving birth to a male without the aid of an earthly father.)

I told him this was a common assumption, but dead wrong. His eyes about jumped out of his head, as he thought I was nutso. I simply brought forth an important point about BELIEF, and how some cling tenaciously to something, without having examined all sides of the box, and by so doing, have limited vision and therefore lead to faulty conclusions.

He was stricken with awe as I proved to him that it was the conception of Mary which was allegedly immaculate, that this doctrine puts forth the notion it was she who was preserved sinless, mark that, that it was HER BIRTH, assumed to be free from the stain of original sin. He thanked me for this unexpected piece of enlightenment, as I stated that this idea has not one shred of support from scripture, but like a golden calf has long entrenched the beautiful people while providing not light, but fog.

But there is more. I think no less of him for his ignorance in this, as some traditions are stubborn masters, but I wondered why some believers think less of others when they do not cross their tees and dot their eyes in matters equally or even more important.

This ASSUMPTION of things is contagious and proven by the evolutionists and atheists also, as they specialize in houses made of pencil and paper, in which, much to my own chagrin, far too many believers have inadvertently pitched their tent in the wrong camp, and needlessly suffer intellectual compromise. The self-inflicted pain of unnecessary compromise and lasting scars left by assumptions need not be.

Darwin asserts man was not always man, that birds were not always birds, whales were something else, and this so-called science which is untestable, never repeatable, and never observable, yet somehow is ‘true,’ is latched onto by believers who are guilty of similar assumptions as our Catholic friend: good intentions, but wrong.

Further. Many have crawled into bed with the godless ‘theories‘ of an ‘alleged‘ spinning ball called earth, orbiting at an ‘assumed’ 67,000 mph, and with a straight face tell you the Rockies are not still as death as they ‘orbit’ God knows what, at this bizarre speed that would no doubt kill every butterfly and goose in flight. The boy catching a pop fly in Little League must also be oblivious to the fact that he is spinning while he stands still waiting for the ball to land in his mitt. Yikes. Who can process such nonsense?

These are the same ‘experts’ who sit alongside the other folks agreeing with the premise that says Adam never lived, Moses and the exodus was fiction, Daniel never met a lion, the Baptist in the wilderness was but a kid’s tale, Mary and Martha did not have a brother named Lazarus, and of course, Golgotha’s hill was not the place that held a certain One on yonder central tree.

Do you see the diabolical connections and WHY it is important to prove all things? My catholic friend did not prove all things, as his assumption, well intended as it was, had no basis in fact or reality. Wishful thinking, that’s all. But the ‘science’ of the godless despises the science of scripture, and this is a tragic unequal yoke, IF SCRIPTURE BE OUR GUIDE.

Which reminds me. This globe ball thing, with railroads supposedly traversing up and down, all around like a circus ferris wheel to get from LA to NYC, from Timbuktu to Djibouti, from the Cape of Good Hope to Cape Fear, has not been proven by they who hold such views. It cannot be proven, as the earth itself cries with loud protest against such a charge, as the assumptions are startling.

Yet, it is not the facts of a stationary earth that we now speak of, but of the disdain that believers show toward other believers who do not agree with them that arrests my attention, and there are many, I have this subtle gift (thank God) of reading between the lines, even among friends who have decided to cite others as ‘intellectual idiots’ for thinking so. Some call it discernment.

I pity such ones, not because of disagreement, but because of ‘assuming’ things they have never examined, and cling to automatic traditions, because of birthright, or because of the appearance of wanting to be seen as credible, or enlightened, to ‘fit in’ as it were, to be on the same team as modern science!  I want no such playmates.

The boast of  “We have Abraham as our father,” is similar to they who say, ‘of course the earth rotates at 1,067 mph, and orbits at 67,000mph, everybody knows that. We have DeGrasse and Dawkins as our father. They told us.’  Really?

But note, there are many, many, many believers who are solid thinkers/engineers/botanists/geologists/PhD’S/biologists/surveyors/doctors/lawyers/landscapers/ on and on, who hold to the fact of a stationary earth, while at the same time, they see other believers as simply unlearned who do not see the same, and still give them the benefit of the doubt as to their sainthood. Intellectual superiority is not a requirement for salvation doncha know. Surely we can give such people the time of day, and perhaps ask questions as to how and why they arrive at such conclusions, but better yet, why and how WE have arrived at our conclusions.

But the scorn. The scorn levelled by they who have not as much as thought a minute of the assumptions they themselves hold, while railing at others who have actually ‘done the math, and examined the evidence,’ is otherworldly. Go ahead, prove it wrong, and in the process you just may learn a thing or two about the talons of tradition and long-held sacred assumptions.

I forcefully say, that I have nothing in common with the ‘science’ of godlessness, evolution, or atheism, and I do so with the blessing of heaven, (since God created science in the first place as a tool to explain His works) and that I will rather believe my own eyes as opposed to the endless theories and mind numbing suggestions and assumptions by they who despise the Creator, as if our earth, where we live, is just another random speck of cosmic serendipity, resulting from an accidental beginning, which makes man no more relevant that a piece of lint. No!

God does not expect a 6-year-old girl to wait until she can be lectured by a godless PhD before she can learn the property of water, or what a compass proves, what a plumb line does, or how to use a carpenter’s level, and what truth these things teach.

Darwins apes need the spinning ball to feed godlessness and irrelevance, for without God, and this will be painful to read, life is but irrelevant. Relevance has context, context has purpose, purpose has design, design has intelligence, intelligence has wisdom and understanding, and these of course come from One source, the Father of lights and only God of eternity.

So to the Christian I ask: why do you fear the stationary earth and cling to DeGrasse and Nyes doctrine of ‘disappearing ships’ as they mock the Creator with their cartoonish explanations and clownish speeches? They promote the idea that the earth is an amusement park that supplies their carnality and frivolousness with passenger airliners  flying upside down, trains travelling like topsy-turvy roller coasters, and all other such nonsense.

If you haven’t noticed, fighter pilots navigate spirals, up and down, proving dizziness is not natural, and no sane train engineer would take his freight, boxcars, loads of coal, automobiles, or people round round we go, up and down, over and under. Trains travel on a datum line called horizontal, and the engineers have never even considered the notion of making allowance for supposed ‘curvature.’ This is a fact. This is called science. Most uncomfortable to Copernicus, but not to he with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Railroads singularly demolish any notion of a ‘curved ball.’ Period.

Have you dear believer thought for more than a minute as to whether your world view agrees with God and His word? Not about faith and His word alone, but where you live as expressed in that same word? Have you thought about bullets being fired east and west, north and south, with absolutely no discrepancy in speed or time? Have you thought about planes (key word plane) flying and the havoc caused by moving runways? Have you ever looked at an escalator and the connection with a moving earth? A nice way to spend a Saturday.

Have you thought about the meaning of sea level? Do you know the Suez canal is 100 miles long with no locks but is dead flat from end to end? Are you aware that godless science has no answer for this but God’s word does? Do you know that according to the globeball’s own math, it needs over 1.666 miles of curvature at that canal? It has to be, or it falls apart completely and totally. It does fall apart, as water laughs at the math of the godless.

More importantly, as to God’s throne and heaven, is He and it also careening through ‘space’ aimlessly, or is He and His throne stable, secure, and immovable, as the good book clearly says?  What does immovable mean to you if not stationary? What does ‘on earth as it is in heaven mean to you?’

The earth is IN the water, as pure as Genesis and Peter tell us. This earth has foundations, did you know that? An architect when planning his building, does not take into account a moving base, as a foundation supports that which does not move. Can we not see the connection as to the master builder, or does God try to fool us? I think not. He offers us wisdom from above, if we only pay attention to His whispers and not the hisses of Chuck Darwin and his dwarfs DeGrasse and Nye. I’m pretty sure God as builder has not left us in the dark.

(Ps, one of the strongest proofs that my points are valid and worthy of consideration is the mocking hurled at otherwise intelligent people who present such things. If we are incorrect, show me, instead of whisperings of foolishness. There is no other topic that people avoid than the proving of where we live, yet far too many will defend something they never even considered.

But why else is this risky business? Because people so enjoy pointing at others defects, and posts like these will seem like ‘strange fire’ to be sure. I target no one, but if truth is valuable, there is a price to pay if only to be ridiculed. Need I remind you of the vitriol aimed toward Christ Himself who did not one thing wrong, yet whose understanding is infinite?

But do ask yourself if your beliefs about anything have the blessing of heaven, and be honest in asking if what you hold dear is not a constructed image of science falsely so-called.

Finally, I expect certain words that paint my postings as ignorant or infantile as coming from atheists, evolutionists, infidels, or self-made intellectual gluttons, but what say ye, dear believer friend, and/or why are believers soooo reluctant to engage the topic of the ages?)

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98 Responses to Risky business these assumptions

  1. Arkenaten says:

    Your opening example about the Immaculate Conception is excellent and demonstrates just how ignorant Christians are, even about their own man-made religion.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Sorry Doug, but that is a Roman tradition, not one that solid believers hold; that is to say, of course there are catholic believers in spite of narrow views,

      But don’t miss the bigger picture regarding the assumptions of untested science, which I believe was demonstrated quite well.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Oh, I didn’t bother with the rest of your drivel.
        I merely thought the opening gambit said enough-
        Well done, by the way.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So u approve of one sentence without seeing the context of the whole. At least u admitted to not reading, nice work.

          This may explain why you cling to atheism Doug, as you cannot or will not connect the dots of reality as proven by scripture, logic, fact, and of course, true science.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          As you has already demonstrated the ignorance of Christians in general in your opening ditty why on earth must I bother with the rest of the drivel?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ah but your shortsightedness lacks tolerance for differing views.

          It’s like the believing Jew who inwardly believes the narrative of Abraham, David, Solomon, and the person, worth, and work of He who came to the circumsized, but still goes to Synagogues, because he may be fearful of family ties, so I understand that, and of course God does too.

          It’s called patience, forbearing, and tolerance. Unlearned believers are no different. I give them all the road, as would most people.

          But if u didn’t read, too bad, your loss.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Lacks tolerance?
          Er … no. You laid out your stall in the opening gambit – how ignorant Christians are.
          I agree with you wholeheartedly so don’t now whine about it just because you shot your bolt.
          As the Yanks say – No Backsies.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You are a sloppy reader Doug, or outright and intentionally careless. I used as a SPRINGBOARD the assumptions people make, INCLUDING YOU, as you must admit this is not a treatise of Catholicism.

          Where have I said the scriptures are not true? To any fair minded person, you are on trial, even more so, at least the Assumption doctrine is defined by scripture.

          Perhaps you are now saying that the Lord Jesus Christ is sinless. Great, you are making progress.

          But pay attention, the idea of ‘false science’ is clearly presented, and as many catholics are not scholars, so you too are guilty of your false assumptions.

          That’s the point.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I agree, it was a springboard and I understood fully. Thanks.
          Yet, the overriding point remains: Christians are ignorant.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Is Petulance your middle name? Many people ‘assume’ a 67k mph revolving ball, which includes a spinning K2, ASSUMPTIONS never proven, and cannot be proven, so u see, your ignorance may be worse that theirs; at least they give God the courtesy of existing. In this, they are to be commended, while you abrade yourself.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The drivel in this comment is why there was no need for me to read the entire post. As you aptly demonstrated, Christians are ignorant, so there’s no need to labour the point.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So in your intentional blindness, you judge all believers as if they were unlearned Catholics. I see.

          Perhaps u need reminded of the unlearned and ignorant fishermen, who became some of the worlds greatest thinkers; read the books of Peter lately? The books of John.

          Stop embarrassing yourself any further.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Catholics invented your religion. They are as ignorant as you and every other believer.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Listen to my nice voice: May God keep you…… far away from commenting any further today.

          Yeah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Daniel, Amos, Gamaliel, Apollo’s, Timothy, Paul, Priscilla, we’re Catholics. Please, enough.

          Sorry you missed the point of the entire post.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I missed not a thing – believe me on that – and as always you run away like a coward.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Yep, that’s me, coward; boy u got my number.

          But are you sure u don’t have me confused with DeGrasse or Nye the twin clowns? 🤡

          Buffoonery employs many disciples. But beautiful work once again, creating your own house of cards and ignoring every piece of evidence presented, Classical atheism tacticry.

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  2. Reblogged this on Talmidimblogging and commented:

    Great post

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  3. sklyjd says:

    CS do you flat thinking guys also believe all the other planets are flat, because the moon and the sun do look to be round or are they sitting up on their edge?

    Do you guys also believe in gravity on a flat Earth considering you do not have to suspend weight from the underside of the planet such as us down under elite in Australia and New Zealand for example?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      I’ve asked the question before and it appears the obvious answer escapes most.

      Can humans walk or sleep on ceilings like insects?

      Can you walk around that globe , I mean basketball, like an ant? So your gravity refuses you the same benefit that it allows them?

      As to ‘you guys,’ I suggest you study your own heroes doctrines, such as HOW railroads can possibly function on a ball.

      Bill Nye probably can’t sleep at night trying to figure that out. Thus do the true laws of physics and true science, along with common sense, prove that butterfly’s are oblivious to ‘gravity.’

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      • Arkenaten says:

        This question is answered on Quroa.:
        Amazing how many Nobs there are that actually beleive this stuff, and I thought it was mostly just you.

        (NO LINK PONG DOUG- for every one u post , I can post ten, got it? Good.)

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  5. I had the honor of reading some paragraphs from a particular blog, a “True Christian” blog specifically, that was critiquing another blog’s content. It went…

    I ran across the other day of discourse in an often social-media discussion with a pleasant gentleman about about various topics. It was the last topic that allowed some firsthand insight on glaring bias, perception, and mental games which people have for one popular reason: the illusion of mental perfection availed to them from an invisible (psychiatric?) force, and its perceived protection from ancient, foreign ideals. It starts out like this…

    Had the privilege the other day of engaging in a rare face-to-face discussion with a thoughtful fellow about this that, and the other. It is the ‘other’ that allowed me some finer thoughts on bias, perception, and strongholds which people have for well, no other reason than the illusion of mental safety, and the protection of long-held ideals.

    A logical, reasonable question often arises when in casual conversation with thousands and thousands of strangers we meet every month, every year — unless one is anti-social with perhaps agoraphobia 😉 — about the nature of Yeshua the Nasorean, or of the Nasi, and his purpose. Why was he thought to be the Messiah or another false Messiah out of many previous claimants. Knowing full well the answer to the trap-question I was rhetorically asking, it took the conversation in my preferred direction. “What was the Artificial Insemination of Mariam/Maryam?” The naive gentleman immediately answered with authority and stated:

    In order for the foretold Lamb of God to be the one and only pure and acceptable sacrifice for Humanity’s fallen state and total depravity, he could NOT be born of impure, tainted blood of Man. Otherwise, the sacrifice on Calvary is null and void.

    It was a very good, exegetical answer, straight from the Synoptic Gospels. However, I told him this was a common misconception by those who do not have the special powers of the Holy Spirit that I have and therefore he was dead wrong along with millions of other (luke warm) “Christians.”

    He gasped, and his eyes popped out of his head, figuratively speaking 😉 as he thought I was certifiable. Which isn’t a bad second assumption either. I simply brought forth an important point about TRUE BELIEF ™ , and how so many cling desperately to vapors, without having examined the wind direction — because being a carnivorous lion as I am, I always sniff up and down-wind and in the groin and rear areas of lionesses — and by not having my special Holy powers and exceptional nose, the ill-informed gentleman has limited vision and sniffers which therefore lead to faulty mating practices.

    Isn’t it ironic that I stumble onto THIS blog-post claiming supreme exegetical authority as well. Odd… very odd. LOL

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  6. ColorStorm says:

    Well now prof, you spent a little time putting this together, and since you mentioned to our other mutual friend that you posted somewhere yet was moderated (not here obviously,) one must wonder at your intent here, since your comparisons of ‘mental perfections’ and ‘special powers’ are not claimed ever, and at all, by any decent believer, nor myself, so maybe u missed the connection in fact that I actually thought no less of a man because he incorrectly believed a tradition that did not have the approval of scripture.

    Not my approval, but the approval of scripture. Not my interpretation, but the plain words of scripture, a book which, stands alone, yet has many knockoffs, and will certainly be many more.

    If you also did not notice, I pointed out the blatant world views held by the majority, that daily go unchallenged as if gospel, so of course the post seems strange. But what is strange is how we gravitate to things popular, like wondering sheep, then accuse others of stupidity when they follow the voice and teaching of the Shepherd. Popular is not always correct or true.

    And oh, not only is He good, but also Great, and furthermore the Chief Shepherd. This is doctrine. This is true. And I would add He is also the great scientist since creation is heaven’s order. But your ‘supreme exegetical authority’ is reserved for God alone, as He cannot lie, all I am doing is agreeing Prof, so don’t give me the credit that is not mine, if even in sarcasm, but yes, I do bow to the Owner of all authority.

    And thank you for the visit, and I still hope that one day you will apologize for the hurtful things you said about the most excellent lady blogger.

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    • Hahaha…Come on CS, can’t you handle equal, fair, just-as-arrogant teasing comedy as this blog-post provides? “Dish it out and you must also take it” in sporting fashion as the adage (proverb?) goes. Don’t be so hyper-sensitive. 😉

      Have a wonderful day (life) in your theme park.

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  7. Ha! “Assumptions!” Very funny. There seems to be some like mindedness going on here, Colorstorm.

    Cool post! I really liked what you said about the immaculate conception. So many people misunderstand and have made an assumption. When your first assumption is wrong then everything else you try build upon it is not going to square up, either. Poor people are now walking around thinking all sex and procreation is sin.

    I also like what you said about the scorn heaped on, contempt really, evidence of fear perhaps. We people should not be so afraid of what others might think of us. Love that verse, “lean not unto your own understanding…” Don’t believe everything you think. It’s okay, God has the truth in His hands. “Fear not,” as it says over and over again in the bible. 🙂

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Thanks for popping by and adding your usual color and not being fearful of identifying with me in a ‘controversial’ topic.

      Assumptions as traditions, as pointed out, are just that, traditions, some good, others better, others bad, but scripture has plenty to say lest we be left to our own devices.

      But another issue is how people can be assumed to be decent thinkers, then all of a sudden, because we speak on a non popular topic, (sphere/immoveable, etc) some think the nutso train arrived. Ha!

      Seems God has much to say about where we live. Ya think??? So its one thing to be labelled ‘fool, deranged, etc) by evolutionists, atheists, etc) its even more bizarre to hear the same thing from believers; hence our word of the day: assumptions.

      The democratic vote is irrelevant to God’s word. Popularity is not a reason to hold to something. I have said before that Tesla had major issues with Einstein’s theories. Why are we any different?

      So by virtue of your visit, you have endangered yourself greatly msb, but have also endeared yourself!

      Some may try to pin you down and DEMAND you tell them what YOU believe, so you can then be placed in a convenient box to praise or curse.

      I do so much appreciate God giving us a heads up to beWARE of oppositions of science FALSELY so-called, as if God has the drop on 2019. Of course He does. 😉

      (by the way, I would never dream of basing my opinion of anothers worth because of what science they hold. God is much bigger than raindrops, and gives us oceans to remind us we have not yet arrived)

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      • “I would never dream of basing my opinion of another’s worth because of what science they hold. ”

        Oh, I really like that, Colorstorm! That’s the essence of the problem right there. There are some creeds or statements of faith that bind us together, but what science we believe in or what books are displayed on our shelves, these are simply the things of political correctness, social approval, and a need for people favor.

        I knew a man once who had all the “right” books on his shelf, but he had actually never read a single one.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You are the best, and your presence on WP is a huge asset. Mr. B is one lucky fella that’s for sure. 😉

          There was a line by Nick Cage when he read a piece of the Declaration of Independence, ‘people don’t talk like that anymore,’ and he was right, because people don’t think like that anymore.

          We put people into catalog files and gauge their worth by how much we agree. Beep, wrong.

          There is this gal at work, and while others have whispering ‘opinions’ because of her outstanding hair color, I love it; she dares to be different, and her personality is as large as life.

          But you want PC crap, ha! This blog is not for you. lol

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  8. colonialist says:

    I really thought this whole post was irony. Can anybody at all (particularly who has learnt to read and write) fail to grasp the fact that gravity is a force inherent in a large body, and that in effect it sucks matter to its surface from the core of a sphere? This concept made perfect sense to me from about the age of four. Otherwise, what is underneath a ‘flat earth’?
    Do you seriously doubt the curvature of the earth? Are all the pictures taken from space faked? You don’t need to believe anyone but your own senses, though: look at the moon from the northern and southern hemispheres. Why is it reversed? Do your own test on the ‘disappearing ships’. All you need is a body of flat water and good visibility and you can observe a ship rise out of ‘nothing’ or disappear bit by bit. These are facts anyone can establish (and I have for myself); how can it be explained in a flat earth context?

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    • Well stated Colonialist. There was a cornucopia of holes and errors in this post, far too many to dissect in one day. LOL 😉 Thank you for pointing out this one Sir.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Between u both, congratulations for proving my premise: you specialize in ASSUMPTIONS and unfounded theories, things which can not tolerate the mettle of railroads operating on a basketball surface!!!! yet u persist in trying to prove that which u have never seen.

        What great faith you have! Congrats. You have claimed the ability of insects which can walk upside down on ceilings.

        Next thing u know u will be preaching man is but a finer dressed monkey. Geez, the science of atheism!

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      • colonialist says:

        I am amazed that anyone can cling to ideas so clearly untrue in this day and age. It isn’t even as if they can be argued as matters of opinion; pure matters of fact. It is like denying that water, heated sufficiently, turns to vapour, or cooled sufficiently to ice.

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        • Ironic that you say that Colonialist. I just finished a two-part blog-series on Hypocrisy and Denialism: How they are manufactured or covered-up. A large part of the Dance of Distraction/Denial is a psychological or psychiatric (pick your old Wild West Touring Salesman of Elixirs 😉 ) phobia, dysfunction, or blatant deception… even upon one’s self! Nonetheless, it is an easily identifiable behavior for the trained professionals in the field of Psychology-Psychiatry… or what many inside their own phobias would call The Den of the Devil’s Dastardly Doings Hehehe 😉 😛

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You should try getting out inthe real world prof, you know, the one with lakes, rivers, oceans, ships, planes, get that? PLANES.

          Gee I wonder why they are called planes…… you do pass yourself off as someone larger than God, you may want to rethink your theories of paper houses.

          But I must be reeely important, to have claimed the visits of they who say I’m delusional, in addition to be the object of special posts elsewhere, where every atheist within key space has to add their two cents. Lol

          This can only mean one thing: the truth of God’s creation and maintenance is disturbing to they who have lived too long off empty theories.

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        • You should try getting out inthe real world prof, you know, the one with lakes, rivers, oceans, ships, planes, get that?

          Hahaha… if you had halfway tried to get to know and understand who I am, where I’ve come from, where I’ve been, what I’ve been through, what my successes and (opportunistic) failures have been — exactly like anyone else’s on the planet — you’d realize what an utterly IGNORANT statement (above) that is with no justification whatsoever, much less holding zero accuracy. But then, I can excuse your folly because in reading your stuff, personal opinions, and your style of interacting with other bloggers, like-minded OR otherwise, and what little about yourself you freely disclose here on your blog, your true nature and agenda is glaring, self-aggrandizing, and frequently if not always… wrong and distorted. But please don’t take my word or several other words from others — accredited or well-read, well-educated about your game — get honest with yourself and by default with others, and test everything you write and believe by many INDEPENDENT experts. Yet, I know you’ll refuse that as well… because it scares you to be shamefully and embarrassingly wrong. 😉

          Have a good day (life) in your theme park CS.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Whereas you prof interpret science through your world view, I see it AS IT IS. Of course you despise this and level false accusations, but I do not believe life is some random act of cosmic serendipity such as you, which results in a mind numbing unproven ASSUMPTION that we also orbit @ 67,000 mph.

          The onus is on you to prove it, which you can’t, as they is no testable or provable model, where not one person alive has seen or sensed. The slightest of motion.

          Then again you could pretend a train traveling from LA to NYC actually traverses the land like a basketball, ad you pretend you are an ant with such skills, but the engineer laughs at your myopic foolishness.

          I have common sense and true science on my side, while you enjoy your ASSUMPTIONS, just as I have aptly proved in this post.

          As to water, no man alive has ever seen a curved shoreline, as I dismantled the ScienceClowns lying ways.

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        • Whereas you prof interpret science through your world view…

          Wrong again. It is based upon all of my own science classes from middle school thru under-grad (a novice, basic level by comparison) and then the overall consensus of scientists (many Nobel Prize winners) in specific various fields of expertise on several continents. This is to hedge against PERSONAL bias — something you are unfamiliar with and too afraid to equitably examine.

          Have a good evening (and life) in your theme park CS.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I have explained many times in this post that you thrive on assumptions and theories, to which Mr Tesla said that Einstein’s theories were like a beggar dressed in purple, whom ignorant people took for a king.

          Quite an indictment I must say, and the modern heroes of astronomy and science are metaphysical shamans and not scientists, if they were, they would apologize for deceiving people that boats disappear over a horizon because of a curve.

          This is an affront to true science, which proves mirroring, lensing effects of moving water, vanishing points, perspective, and common sense, things which in the atheistic world view which ASSUMES things such as a 67,000mph spinning ball, an assumption unproven, untested, and one where there is absolutely no working model, other than the model of wishful thinking, and one that is an embarrassment to nature, and the God of nature, who has given to our senses the truth of an immoveable world.

          You keep your assumptions, and I’ll keep telling the truth. But tkx for the well wish, and like I told steve, if you want your roller coaster rides of speeding trains rum amok, up and down all around, you may be better off in the amusement park.

          But one thing should make you happy, many Christians agree with your model. Strange eh?

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        • But one thing should make you happy, many Christians agree with your model. Strange eh?

          Not strange in the least. Neither moderate Christians nor elitist, prejudiced “True Christians ™ ” like yourself CS can agree on 100% or 80% or even 50% of your 4th-century CE canonical Hellenic New or Old Testaments much less the exegetical theology… as you so aptly showed here with your Roman Catholic gentleman and the comical Artificial Insemination of Mariam/Maryam. That absolutely includes your take/spin on it too. Why can none of you agree even with a majority consensus?

          Because your 4th-century CE New Testament is so horribly flawed, convoluted, and amputated in the first place it doesn’t reflect in the least historically authentic Sectarian Second Temple Judaism/Messianism in Palestine. Your narrative (the Greco-Roman New Testament you have) is NOT the real Yeshua, or the Nasi/Nasoreans, or Essenes, or Ebionites, or eventually the Mandaeans (a splinter group that survived the Roman Jewish Wars) and those Jewish outlying sects Yeshua/Jesus was most certainly involved with. Much of this now known context has been verified primarily by the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the many Gnostic manuscripts found in northern Africa, like the Gospel of Thomas and many others, but also the Hellenic Patristic Father’s (known as the 2nd, 3rd, and so on descendants of “Apostolic Fathers” living in northern Greco provinces in Asia Minor, etc, and taught in Stoic philosophy, mysticism, & Hellenism) writings, e.g. Marcion, Ireneaus of Lyons, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, and Athanasius, all of whom argued for a more complete or a terribly smaller New Testament (than you CS now have) for OVER 400 years. But Rome and Hellenic bishops eventually vetoed anything that hinted of Palestinian Judaism/Mysticism that Yeshua/Jesus was connected to. The powers that be (at that time) were the ones with hundreds of extremely well-trained Legions: Rome. What’s a secondary way to know this? Saul of Tarsus was most likely a Herodian Jew, not the “Paul” later written (edited, changed throughout the late 2nd & 3rd centuries CE) in the Epistles and some of those Epistles incorrectly attributed to caricatures, not actual Apostle names. Hence, unreliable.

          Nevertheless, I am quite sure you are unfamiliar with any historically authentic Second Temple Sectarian Judaism/Messianism of which your Jesus actually originated. Ironically and a funny too, your Jesus is much more like your Catholic gentleman’s distorted version in this post than it EVER could be to the historical Yeshua of Palestinian Judaism and Messianism. HAH!!! 😄

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Here’s a better word for you prof:

          —avoid vain babblings, and oppositions if science falsely so-called—-

          Love that God!s word is ever relevant and continues to shut the mouths of foolishness.

          As if u could find fault with either God or His word. You should be a comedian. (Take note that I do not care how many alleged shortcomings you try to find citing scripture as somehow flawed, history is replete with lousy kings who have tried also, it never ended well for them.)

          You may want to re-read Genesis where dwells the beginning of true science. Any Professor worth his salt admits God is greater than the creature.

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        • What’s your point? Were you giving an example of babbling? You didn’t say anything relevant nor did you address anything about the authentic historical context of Second Temple Judaism/Messianism. Nor did you address the vast difference between Oversees Judaism/Messianism (i.e. Hellenic Stoicism with strands of Gnostic Jewish Mysticism ala Philo of Alexandria, etc.) versus Palestinian Sectarian Judaism/Messianism of which Yeshua (your notion of Jesus or his heritage) was most certainly a part of. You simply gave the common cookie-cutter response all Protestants give, particularly radical ones, to the rest of the “False” Believers and all non-Believers. Do you know ANYTHING outside your small (flawed) circle of Fundy Xianity? You now sound like your Catholic gentleman in your post here. LOL

          Surely you realize that maybe 99% of what you ever write is personal opinions, if not 100%, and offer nothing of concrete value or independent support to be verified. Hence, shallow personal opinions and shorter and shorter meaningless comment replies. For example, you never give any proofs that IF there were “a divine, heavenly God,” you also never give any means for anyone to test and verify whether that “God” picks only YOUR personal preferences of a God and religion, and not any of the other theistic religions/faiths. You just ramble repeatedly like the Islamic chanting bobbing up and down.

          (yawns)

          Have the last remark. It won’t serve any purpose anyway. LOL Have a nice time in your theme park ColorfulSprinkles and be careful where you put your Felidae-sniffer. 😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Of course I’ll have the last word, and the best word too, since it is God’s word where He has no competitors.

          And I’ll only point you again to my last comment, as I need not entertain your irrelevant sideshows.

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  9. ColorStorm says:

    Hi colonial-
    Tkx for the input, but being well aware of your stance/comments elsewhere, and past experience, rest assured there is no irony here. If there is, it belongs to they who assume, such as yourself by your own words………….that STONE AGE individuals were behind the times so to speak, completely lost in the fog of ;poor thinking,’ because they did not have tools.

    No, but they had brains. Water acted then how it acts now, it finds its own level, and if you took the time to learn WHY Bills Nyes disappearing ships ‘disappeared,’ it had absolutely, positively, ZERO to do with his imaginary curve. The preposterousness of such ‘science’ is revolting to facts, logic, science, and common sense.

    Your implication that the concept of ‘gravity’ as explained to a four year old is insulting, since the youngster doesn’t even know to read. You may convince him, but it is not one of fact or truth. And thus will you have indoctrinated him into a world of assumptions, as he is then at the mercy of someone else’s learning. This is not science, and is an encroachment upon learning itself.

    Take the same four old to the ocean and tell him ships disappear because of the curve. The child pulls out his binoculars and says: ‘uh, sir, your disappearing ship, the one you cannot see……… is clear as a bell through this magnifier, so you are either misinformed, untaught, unlearned, or you are just plain lying.’ Perhaps the older fella never took the time to learn of mirroring, refraction, perspective, the vanishing point, and the lensing effects of moving water.

    Thus is the wisdom of this world proved to be foolishness by a child.

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  10. colonialist says:

    I was the child concerned, and the explanation made perfect sense to me without any indoctrination. I could tell that a flat plane idea was plain (pun intended) ridiculous, and a massive orb answered all the questions. You haven’t addressed that moon phenomenon, and I refuse to believe that you yourself have ever tried, as I suggested, to follow the course of a tall ship to the horizon in clear visibility or you wouldn’t be giving the nonsense about it still being in line of sight. You can use all the magnification you like, but it will still start dipping and then gradually vanish ‘off the edge of the world’ – ha ha. And lensing and refraction explanations don’t wash, because the descending image can be dead clear given the right conditions. I suppose you give a dipping steeple the explanation of an intervening rise in the ground, even though an altimeter denies it?
    The idea that water finds its level because it is drawn ‘down’ is also preposterous What draws it down? The force – FORCE, note – of gravity. Not just some nebulous idea of up or down.
    As a yachtsman, I can assure you, too, that plotting a course and navigation that did not allow for the curvature of the earth would get one lost in a matter of hours.
    It is sad that anyone professing to have spiritual truths should lose all credibility by clinging to some ideas related to nature and science that are manifestly absurd and should have no bearing on whether the other teachings have validity or not.

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    • As a yachtsman, I can assure you, too, that plotting a course and navigation that did not allow for the curvature of the earth would get one lost in a matter of hours.

      Exactly! And there are many, many ways to prove, beyond any shadow of sane doubt, the curvature of the spherical Earth besides the one you mention here. Those begin with Pythagoras (6th century BCE), through Archimedes and to most precisely Eratosthenes (c. 240 BCE) who almost to the stadion calculated within 2% – 18% of the Earth’s true Meridional circumference! An astonishing feat given the Hellenistic region and culture he lived. Besides the overwhelming proof of Earth’s spherical shape, we also know with absolute certainty that many forms of Physics with laws of gravity, that large spheres or planets have a particular threshold (based on Mass) that promotes the growth from “pebble accretion” into a full-blown planet. But all of this has been known for many centuries and is provable repeatedly via many scientific disciplines. I’m sure Colonialist I’m not saying anything you don’t already know. 😉

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      • colonialist says:

        The burning question is why ColorStorm and his ilk, faced with such a barrage of irrefutable evidence, still choose to stick to this fantasy?

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        • Yes. See my above (or below?) — since this Earth is round — reply to you. 😉

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Hey colonel-

          According to YOUR model of the curvature chart that DEMANDS 8” squared per mile of alleged drop-

          —-the Suez Canal is 100 miles with NO locks- yet is even from end to end.

          YOUR model DEMANDS over 1.26 miles of curvature, because doncha know, the spinning ball and all that…….

          YET there is none, PROVING beyond a doubt that your science is false, and water is level, just as your eyes see, as logic proves, and common sense testifies.

          The science of the godless is fraudulent, and unfortunately some believers have pitched their tent with you.

          The commentary of you and your kin is enough as well. Truth does not fear the opinions of men.

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        • colonialist says:

          Of course there is curvature In the Suez canal, in all directions. It was excavated at a uniform altitude below sea level relative to the curved surface of the earth, and obviously that means the excavation is curved. That is a no-brainer. The samples seen in aerial photography are too small to show that curve, of course, Even the great lakes are, come to that, but I have seen yacht sails sink below the horizon in perfect visibility on a dead flat Lake Malawi.
          I have looked at a number of the flat earth ‘proofs’ with an open mind. Each one falls. The islands off Africa, for example. Sure, one can be seen from another, but only the expected part of it that juts above the curvature. Finally, what is your take on the FACT that if one travels steadily in any direction, and sticks to it, one will reach the departure point?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Oh my colonial- you have inadvertently proved my point. It DOES NOT MATTER the depth of anything dug. Geez.

          I live next to a stream. You could dig a hole ten thousand ft deep- and leave untouched the water level.

          You are missing entirety the point u proved, but u are pretending to be deaf. There is NO, NONE, ZERO water curvature there, or anywhere. Hate to break it to you, but this is science; you can keep your theories and assumptions.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          When French engineers were working on the Rhône-Saone canal, they noticed the curvature of the earth when telegraph poles were observed. The Verrazano Narrows bridge has to account for the curvature of the Earth, with the tops of the towers further apart than the bases.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You mean the ‘same’ alleged curve seen at the Golden Gate Bridge in CA?

          Or the same globe in the pic up above at the beginning of post?

          Surely you are not challenging the laws of distance and perspective, things clearly utilized in camera work.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          ALL scientists? That’s your trouble steve, you assume ALL are on board.

          That’s a very fair point, CS.
          To this end please reference your preferred scientist who agrees with your view on this matter and if possible provide a link to his/her work.
          Thanks.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Of course it’s fair, because it’s true. I will follow my own advice and not do the endless link thing; what I say stands in its own, and all sources I’ve seen pretty much say the same thing I have been proving , namely that ships do not disappear over a curve, water finds its level, the earth is stationary, it has foundations, our senses tell us it is motionless, and the idea that railroads can possibly operate on any surface other than a plane is preposterous.

          Btw, one airline pilot when interviewed said the idea that a man can see the curve from the oceans shoreline, yet not be able to see it from a 120,000 ft balloon is revolting.

          In addition, I already cited Tesla’s disdain for Einstein, so there is your benchmark for scientists who disagree.

          We could exchange links forever and still not see- the better question is: does nature lie, and do our very senses betray us?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Then as you are adverse to links simply give the name of the scientist you feel who most accurately represents this view.
          I will search for him myself , no problem. No link needed.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ark-
          I already told u if the most salient who dared to question Einstein’s theories.

          From these fall all other discrepancies. My last comment to you was loaded with scientific proof, that is, things observable, testable, and repeatable, no guesswork needed.

          The consistency of true science is obvious. Now there are THEORIES. Just that, ideas on paper that when scrutinized , fall to pieces. This was Tesla’s issue with Albert. Who said his numbers dazzle or impress, but do not reflect reality.

          Your 67,000mph is a THEORY for instance, and cannot pass the smell test of fact, reason, logic, not to mention common sense.

          But Tkx for your interest; what you despise today you may love in ten years, and in that same time, things will continue as they are with my favorite tool the carpenters level leading the way.

          Also, u probably are aware that most Christians flee from topics like this because of similar assumptions. As I said, I think no less of people who disagree.

          But both views cannot be correct.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I appreciate what you have written but you must acknowledge that my view is shaped from years of traditional scientific views which you are now telling me are wrong, that I have been misled.
          So it is only reasonable that I ask for one scientist who defends this view and has the scientific evidence to support it.
          So all I am asking for is one name. Not a multitude. Just a single name.
          How hard can that be?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Really Doug? You need a scientist to tell you what your eyes see, and what your senses teach?

          Surely u are aware of the centuries of disagreement between good men with opposite views that we cannot exhaust in a Saturday of blogging.

          There are reams of men, women too, who beg to differ with modern astronomy and science.

          I remember reading in a Popular Science mag the first hand testimony by the pioneer Picard when his balloon ascended, and what he saw and said.

          He is one of many who say the same thing- true science is consistent- agrees with eyes- and DeGrasse and Nye, as so called scientists, are full of themselves only, and are an embarrassment to science- this is why I don’t link- as bias is generally put forth as fact.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Fine … so offer me the name of a scientist that defends the flat earth view.
          Just one name.
          I am still waiting.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          You haven’t heard (listened carefully; understood; perceived correctly without guile) a word I said.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I read everything …. carefully.
          You berated Steve with your ”ALL scientists” remark, which I acknowledged.
          Now I need you to list just one name of a recognised scientist who promotes the view of the earth that you do.
          The name of one scientist, please.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          No berate ark. Just an accurate observation.

          I suggested u do your own research- even google can’t hide them all. Lol

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Okay .. I am calling you out. You are a liar.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          As you can see Doug by allowing your comment, I appreciate the accolade, as Paul the apostle was called a madman, Peter was cited as ignorant, and of course He whose understanding is infinite, was said to have a devil.

          And with all seriousness, I don’t deserve such company. Then again, some say ALL believers are liars for simply testifying to the God of creation, so what the heck are a few Lima beans tossed at us. Lol

          Assumptions, as I proved, are revealed, and how we respond tells it’s own story. But Tkx for your time.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          That you revel in telling lies speaks volumes.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I feel it necessary to add that, while you have been a source of amusement for many on my blog your brand of asinine idiocy has run out of any humour value it might have once held.
          Your comments will no longer be published on my blog.

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        • Ark, did you ever get just the ONE single (easy) name of the pseudo-scientist? I thought your question was excellent and easy enough for a 5th-grader to answer. LOL

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        • Arkenaten says:

          He alluded to Tesla, but as with all his posts/comments the flowery rhetoric ends up being strangled in a bed of weeds.

          He is a demented delusional liar of the first order, and he knows it, which is why Citizen Tom steered clear after one comment.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Between the two of you, you are fast giving me genius stature by your antics.

          Quite amazing that such a simple minded yet thoughtful believer has raised the temperature of the godless.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Actually, exposing you to the likes of Tom and all as the fool that we have always known you to be is rather funny actually.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Man you got me- I’m a fool for Christ’s sake.

          Whose fool are you?

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        • Oh my, even Citizen Tom? Wait, I thought Citizen Tom was a bonafide “True Christian ™ .” Which is which and who is who if all of ’em are pointing the finger at each other!?

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        • colonialist says:

          You are genuinely delusional. I come with facts, you come with irrelevancies. There is, if you care to explore it, even curvature in your cup of tea.
          Your analogy of the stream is totally inaccurate. Your hole would cause the stream to vanish. That is beside the point, though.
          The earth is curved; I can prove beyond doubt that it is and you are utterly unable to prove it isn’t, or give any explanation of the ridiculous planet we would live on if it were flat.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Mistake number two and another assumption. So u have proof the earth is a planet eh.

          I have proof it is the object of heavens delight, with the sun and moon as lights for IT.

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        • colonialist says:

          Oh my gosh. You seem to be completely in la-la land. I would love to see that ‘proof’.
          Of course I have real proof earth is a planet. That information, in great depth and with irrefutable evidence, is available to anyone who can read. However, let’s take this farce a bit further. How do you explain the rising and setting of moon and sun?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          The sun and moon are lights for the earth, just as they appear, with no need to interpret their movement.

          Their courses are fixed, and they move in tandem like a perfect clock, keeping time in hours, (hence the illustrious sun dial) days, weeks, months, and years , just as scripture asserts and our senses enjoy.

          If we do not understand perspective below, we arrive at false conclusions as to what happens above.

          Last week, some of us were watching jets from afar, and they looked as if they were going UP. That was deceptive because they were simply going TOWARDS.

          After they passed our center, they appeared to be going DOWN. This was also deceptive, as they were simply going AWAY.

          Thus are the movements of the sun and moon above us, perfectly and on time. Thank God for His wondrous ways and loving kindness toward us.

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        • sklyjd says:

          Okay CS if you are not having everybody on. In your opinion are all scientists, astronauts and governments on a huge conspiracy to fool the entire population just to eliminate your God and Christianity?

          Or simply, you just went to the wrong school?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          ALL scientists? That’s your trouble steve, you assume ALL are on board.

          I clearly demonstrated in the post that many stripes of people in the world, not they with paper and pencil alone who do not know how to pound a nail, but people with various disciplines: engineers and surveyors for instance, people who actually work in true science.

          Years ago two men were talking about the ‘globe model,’ and the fella said ‘we have always assumed the earth is a globe,’ to which his friend said: ‘based on what?’

          Thus are your assumptions just that, as in assuming the world orbits at 67,000 mph, at a rate and speed you cannot even comprehend, yet take it as fact, without sensing one iota of motion, either forward or backward.

          So who assumes things? Not me, as I have God and His word on my side, and this is why this thread has attracted so much attention, for what atheist would waste such time with an idiot like me……….unless I upset the status quo of unfounded and unproven assumptions.

          The greater issue is not whether I agree with your heroes, but why they do not agree with the other scientists who have proved them incorrect.

          I marked out specifically that railroads alone demolish the spinning ball theory, as the datum line is horizontal; if you want a topsy turvy ride across America, I suggest an amusement park.

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  11. colonialist says:

    So the sun and moon simply move out of sight in one flat region and move on to making day in another region, moving in a circle until returning to give the next day? (I assume you don’t envisage angels sticking them up and down like railway guards with flags.) Distance makes them disappear.
    Right so far?
    Then your jet plane analogy collapses in a heap of rubble from the fact that when sun and moon go up or down, they don’t lose size at the horizon. In fact, due to refraction and optical illusion caused by proximity to it, they appear to increase in size.
    Get thee back to thy drawing (or ignorant scribbling) board. The ‘word’ you are using as a yardstick is littered with errors, and the conclusions reached from it — unlike with science — cannot be proved by tests to show that, for example, the things that should happen given a speed of travel and rotation of the earth as postulated, do actually do so. If you estimate your walking pace at 4 miles per hour, and you walk for an hour and find you have covered four miles, your estimation is validated. That is how science works. The other nonsense works because the drivel has been scribbled down and those who follow the scribbles have bashed anyone who disagreed that it was true.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Try writing in paragraphs maybe it doesn’t go to moderation?

      Nice of you to mention walking. Keep walking, walk across America even- and sooner or later you MUST start walking DOWN the ball, so much so, that you will appear as an ant walking on a basketball, which to date , is a feat no one has done, unless of course you are held up with wires. Lol

      Then there is the railway locomotive, which not one sane person has refuted, as they CANNOT run on a ball either north/south, or east/west. This is and has been demonstrably proven, thus the earth cannot be a ball.

      Nice try though. Science deals with facts not your assumptions.

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      • colonialist says:

        Read the next bit, and weep. ‘Down’ is not dependant on a law that it is opposite to ‘Up’. It demonstrates the working of gravity, and gravity draws things to the centre of the earth from any part of the surface. Thus the ‘down’ of somebody standing on the south pole is the exact opposite of someone standing on the north pole. Their feet point towards one another. That is the true nature of up and down and why trains can and do run on a ball.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Thanks col for pointing out what is naturally absurd. The earth is not an amusement park where the patrons ride on roller coasters, as the screaming cars themselves protest against any locomotive which would try the same……resulting in certain and immediate death.

          I’m sorry you cannot process what common sense demands.

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  12. colonialist says:

    It is hard to follow the fixation with railroads. How are they different from straight roads, or walls like the Great Wall of China? How do you expect to get to a point of perspective where you can see the curve of railway lines? Unless from a very long way to one side, with no intervening features, it won’t be visible. It will still be there, though.
    An example of how it actually works (you can test this for yourself) Take a globe and fix a very strong magnet inside the centre. Build little railway tracks all over the surface, going in every direction. Take a small enough metal model train and place it on the track. It doesn’t matter where you place it, the magnet will keep it there. So, wherever the line is, is ‘flat’ as far as the train is concerned. Run it until it is upside-down from where it started. It still sticks.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      The ignoring of common sense to assume your model is blatantly full of hocus pocus. I do not live in an amusement park , where trains and cars travel upside down, which they MUST on your globe.

      Don’t think so? Then watch an ant walk around and upside down on a basketball. Don’t you dare now try to assert that trains, cars, and people do the same thing.

      The earth is stationary, and you can assume whatever you want. I am thankful for my God given eyes and brain which can see right through science falsely so-called.

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      • colonialist says:

        You are actually, I regret to say, as blind as a bat together with being as stubborn as a mule. Unfortunately you also appear to lack the intelligence of those creatures. Did you apply your mind for one second to the sheer logic of the comparisons given, or did you instinctively shy away from anything to shake your ‘faith’ in what is, after all, a complete side issue to the core elements of religion? When you stick to your utterly ridiculous assumptions and comparisons (the baseball is NOT generating gravity and is subject to that of earth!) despite all valid evidence to the contrary, you are, I fear, a hopeless case.

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  13. sklyjd says:

    “Really Doug? You need a scientist to tell you what your eyes see, and what your senses teach?”

    “scientific proof, that is, things observable, testable, and repeatable”

    “cannot pass the smell test of fact, reason, logic, not to mention common sense.”

    You tell us that your God exists, and all other gods do not, so you will fanatically defend a Christian God that has magical powers that exists everywhere, knows everything etc. but that claim fails dismally against all the scientific reasoning and criteria you now base your other revolutionary arguments on, so therefore how can anyone take you seriously?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Look Steve, nature, science, and God, these three, and the greatest of these is God.

      If you actually read my posts, instead of my replies to smokescreens, I wouldn’t have to repeat the obvious.

      God is obvious. His creation is obvious. Water finds its own level. This is obvious. Ships do not disappear over an assumed curve. This is obvious.

      Don’t play the stupid card with me as if I’m not clear. Are you not aware that anything truthful is not popular? And anything valuable is worth defending.

      People cannot in good conscience defend the 67,000 mph crap. Never.

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      • sklyjd says:

        CS I believe you cannot recognise the immensity of what is going on and it is not within your imagination to be able to understand how colossal the planets and solar system are.

        “As schoolchildren, we learn that the earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit. It covers this route at a speed of nearly 30 kilometers per second, or 67,000 miles per hour. In addition, our solar system–Earth and all–whirls around the center of our galaxy at some 220 kilometers per second, or 490,000 miles per hour. As we consider increasingly large size scales, the speeds involved become absolutely huge! The galaxies in our neighborhood are also rushing at a speed of nearly 1,000 kilometers per second towards a structure called the Great Attractor, a region of space roughly 150 million light-years (one light year is about six trillion miles) away from us.”(Scientificamerican)

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Tkx Steve- you have proved my point perfectly as to ASSUMPTIONS, and your commentary is why I despise your THEORIES.

          You said it well when you state the indoctrination of children is necessary at a young age, because NOT ONE WORD passes the smell test of common sense, so Tkx.

          (Btw, I Tom’s u this site is not dumping ground for propaganda. I’ll leave this alone just to prove the extreme lengths that people travel to promote an agenda. I hope believers have the guts to consider what stupidity is asked of children dressed as knowledge)

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  14. Citizen Tom says:

    @ColorStorm

    I am more confused by this post than anything else. Except to illustrate to atheists the stubbornness of their refusal to believe in God, what is the point?

    For grins let’s assume you are serious. If we believe the Bible, then we are going to have a tendency to insist what believe is in accord with the Bible. When does that become a problem?
    1. We believe the Bible says something it does not say.
    2. Our understanding of Creation (that’s everything) contains a revelant error.

    Since the Bible is not a science journal article or text book, it is silly to go there expecting an education in science. God inspired the Bible’s writers to communicate with the people of their day, not with 21st Century scientists. So a large part of understanding the Bible is putting ourselves in the place of those who first read it. When we don’t do that, we must inevitably misinterpret the Bible. The Bible was written for us, but it was not written to us.

    What is one difference between those ancient readers and 21st Century scientists? Those ancients had a different set of assumptions about how cause and effect operates in the world than we have today. That is, they shared a different set of cultural beliefs, including what we call science.

    To understand the Bible, we must read it within the cultural context of the people to whom it was written. That includes their knowledge of science.

    We live in a world that includes scientific technology far in advance of what the ancients had available. So we can put a spacecraft on orbit and take a picture of the earth. Every time we do such a thing we prove the earth is a spinning globe. Otherwise, the theories used to generate the calculations we use to program the launch systems would not work.

    So did the ancients believe the earth is flat? I think some of the more educated may have suspected otherwise, but they had no easy way of providing proof.

    So what about the stubbornness of atheists? There are plenty of philosophical proofs that God exists. We have through the Bible and the record of history convincing evidence that the Son of God lived among us, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and waits for those who love Him in heaven. Yet atheists can be just as stubborn as those who still believe in a flat earth. No matter how good the evidence may be, we cannot force them to take it seriously.

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Tkx CTom-

      If u think my only hope was to point out the vapidness of atheism, I think u missed the bigger issue regarding assumptions, and I was fair to mention that we believers can be guilty of the same.

      You bring up far too many important concerns to address in a comment, but it will be worth drafting an entire post, to be fair to both of us.

      Tks as always for the visit/commentary.

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