The a-theist and his elusive moral compass

It matters little as to WHO is right. It does matter much however when we consider WHAT is right, and herein is the line of demarcation when we consider facts versus feelings. A compass simply does not care how we feel. As it should be.

I read some time ago that the heart, mind, and conscience are the guides of the moral compass when used by the atheistsRus corporation. Is this then a reliable tool, or is the compass merely broken and the arrow follows the a-theist wherever he may be?

Didja catch that? The compass FOLLOWS the a-theist. He decides what is true, NOT the compass. Already destined for failure. The case is made and settled.

My compass could not give a whit as to my opinion when I hold it in my hand. North is absolute, and doesn’t require an explanation if I say it is mistaken. It is correct. Always. Unless of course it is broken. Here’s where it gets dicey.

When the a-theist is asked to adjudicate, anything, he instantly and automatically sets the compass heading to his own preferences; he breaks the compass as it were, making it entirely useless. He has preconceived the outcome. Examples? Sure, tkx for asking.

Same secks marriage. It’s correct because ‘whatever feels right,’ and ‘who are you to determine what is right for me?’  ‘Of course a husband could have a husband, and a wife could have a wife, who are you to say otherwise?’  (btw, if someone wants the same-sex stuff, go for it; it’s still wrong, but go for it, just leave the word ‘marriage’ alone. I suggested long ago a better word, the French sounding ‘mirage.’ Pronounce like Dr. Zhivago)

Gen-der identification by children. ‘Why would you deny a 6-year-old girl the right to say she can’t be a boy on Monday, and a girl on Tuesday?’ Who in God’s name are you to correct a 9-year-old boy for wanting to go into the girls lavatory at school to powder his nose, and watch while the girls change clothes?’

The mur-der of infants. That’s right, MURDER. The liberal mob with the so-called sanctified compass dare assert that it is now fashionable to ‘put out to the curb,’ no, not a puppy, but a newborn, at 9 months if you can even stomach the thought, and smile while doing so because THEY have such a fine moral compass. Bastards.

I could do this all day, citing the mental malfeasance of the so-called moral compass which acts not according to truth, but blows with the winds of change and feeling. But ultimately, it has been proven, it is proven, and will always be proven that apart from God, there is no moral compass. Apart from He who created the true north, apart from the Engineer of the heart, mind, and conscience, the a-theist compass is but a broken mess that knows not where it goes, like a fifteen cent plastic boat tossed about in a hurricane.

And this is the true rub of the a-theist heart. It DESPISES God and His word, because HE has the final authority, and crooked hearts cannot tolerate authority. This is why a man speeds at 90 mph when the sign says 45. He is a law-breaker and he despises authority, as he is soooooo above the fray.

Thus does God’s word expose wickedness, and a self-made ‘moral compass’ cannot tolerate such words, words that tell him his very compass is not only broken , but useless. The compass of the a-theist points in every direction but to God’s creatorial rights as to His design, construction, and maintenance of His own creation, including every thing seen and unseen, and the a-theist puts the proverbial finger in the ear, for ‘in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth, and He saw that it was all  VERY GOOD,’  is despised because the arrow points THERE, hence the moral compass is defined by fools.

God is Truth. He cannot lie. He is consistent within Himself, needs not explain Himself, nor does He need to give answers to questions that have long been settled. ‘If they believe not Moses………………’ and this is the crux of the matter, for THEY say, not only was Moses a fraud, but they perversely say Christ Himself was lunatic for citing a fraud!

How low can the human heart sink to dream of depravity that would embarrass the high-flying eagle who would look down from above at the pitiful state of the human condition, and would turn his head to look for a place where such disease does not dwell.

Thus does the ‘moral compass’ of the a-theist not see its own condition, that elevates a puppy, while applauding the death of a newborn because the mother has an alleged moral compass too. Let’s see which way the wind blows of popular and personal opinion today, and therein is our heading. Let’s go there captain!

So yeah, the ‘moral compass’ is words only when used in the hands of the shifty or godless. There is no moral compass of the a-theist. It is non-existent by its own definition. Right and wrong are subject to change, left and right are a matter of opinion, up and down are personal choices, and male and female are soooo overrated that who cares if men go into women’s locker rooms, after all, why would you want to hurt another’s feeeeelings?

So of course we can see the pattern of mitigated decadence and unbridled lawlessness, IF WE ARE HONEST, and the a-theist cannot be honest in this, because by his own words, there is no absolute truth. If ‘in the beginning God,’ is cast aside, then of course everything after that is left in the hands of they with the biggest mouths, and unfortunately, the loud mouths affect commerce, politics, economics, religion, science, the arts, sports, and well, you see how all that turned out.

The compass does not lie. To say there is no God is a lie. To say God’s word is no good is a lie. To say scripture is untrue is a lie. To say scripture is historically inaccurate is a lie. To say Saul/Paul never lived is a lie. To say King Solomon never built a temple is a lie. To say Jerusalem is not the apple of God’s eye is a lie. To say Christ did not live, die, and rise again is the grandest of lies. I am sensing a pattern, do you also see the broken compass?

The compass of God’s word is true. To say otherwise is a lie, thus is the ‘moral compass’ of the a-theist a useless piece of crap not suitable for recycling. This is accurate, logical, verifiable, actual, factual, certifiable, and demonstrably true. In addition, there is no such thing as an a-theist.       😉

(This is jack the barbarian, and I approve of this message)

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93 Responses to The a-theist and his elusive moral compass

  1. Arkenaten says:

    My compass could not give a whit as to my opinion when I hold it in my hand. North is absolute, and doesn’t require an explanation if I say it is mistaken. It is correct. Always. Unless of course it is broken. Here’s where it gets dicey.

    Interesting, but heartening you would use the compass as your metaphor.
    If the earth were flat and stationary it would not generate a magnetic field.
    Without a magnetic field, charged particles from the sun would fry the planet.
    They could strip away the atmosphere, as they did after Mars lost its magnetic field, and the air and oceans would escape into space.

    Amazing how, time and again, science trumps superstitious nonsense.

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    • Arkenaten,
      I’m with you about the flat earth, etc. But science has nothing to do per se with morality, – although it can clarify matters of fact – and the position you take as I read it between the lines in this regard is identical to his and his flat earth – which I also don’t think he mentioned in the post by the way.

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  2. Wally Fry says:

    What is amazing is that the atheist morons are so wrapped around the axle about the shape of the earth that they can’t even see straight, much less think straight enough to actually address the post here. Sheesh

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    • ColorStorm says:

      You spared me saying the same W. I’m pretty sure I did not mention ‘flat’ or ‘stationary,’ but heck, maybe I’m wrong. 😂

      I’m almost positive the post concerns pseudo morality.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      As the foundation of the host’s belief is wrapped (EDIT FIX- Foundation is sure- )up in false belief, the compass metaphor(EDIT FIX- Proves perfectly the wishy washy morality of atheism) is pertinent as it demonstrates the degree of hypocrisy and ignorance (EDIT FIX- the only ignorance is the inability to follow a post without inserting an agenda) on display – something you seem fully on board with,.unfortunately.
      Surely such an attitude is an insult to your creator?(EDIT FIX- Creator)

      But then, the same ignorance prevents you from recognizing you are insulting your creator (EDIT FIX- Creator) in the first place, as it suggests he is responsible for willfully ignorant fools like you, Wally..

      (ETC- ARK- do you like my new additions? Serves you well for once more trying to derail a post- I will not have it- so if you cannot stay on point as Wally observed- I will take your sad song and make it better)

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      • Wally Fry says:

        No, it’s not relevant, Ark. You completely ignored the cotent of this post. If think what shape the earth is has any relation to murdering babies, then that gives me a much clearer understanding of just how atheism does lack a moral compass. You are just pissed because I don’t put up with our endless chasing around in circles. Of course, if my worldview was void, incoherent and morally bankrupt I would probably try a few diversions myself .

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I addressed the morality issue in my reply to CS.

          I just found the compass metaphor ironic bearing in mind our host believes in a stationary earth (ARK- Please stop- I don’t want to call u clueless but u are lost as fog as to the properties of a compass, as if a man could not get lost in the state of Florida, the FLATTEST STATE IN THE US, so of course u need to read up, but this post addresses will stubbornness of false morality and not ignorance) something that would make the use of a compass redundant and impossible.
          I hope you understand why?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Actually, I probably have more knowledge about a compass in my little finger than you have in your entire brain. Again, a needless distraction because you know any position you could take in relatidon to the actual post would make you look like a fool.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Really? Then feel free to demonstrate that your morality is superior to mine.
          I’ll go get a coffee while you think of a few things and we can compare notes.

          (EDIT BONUS- This comment ignores the MAIN PREMISE of the post. I stated it matters not WHO is right, but WHAT is right.

          Since God has the say, He is correct, believers therefore are on the correct side, then again I showed how obvious it is, with the murder of infants applauded by the godless. )

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Your reading skills suck. I have never claimed any personal moral superiority to any person. Again, your constant diversion into issue of personality is only a subterfuge so you can avoid addressing the actual post. Any fool who would try to prove they are morally superior to you will immediately get a rebutal where you scream and flail about the supposed moral shortcomings of God. Which is hysterical. Speaking of coffee, your claim to have any moral standard made me snort mine.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Identifying what is right is one of those highly subjective issues that you , as a theist, will claim there is only one source one can turn to to decide on this issue. ( And as you have no direct access to the source you will cite the bible as the inspired word of the source.)
          Thus, your belief that your morality ( and its source) are superior to my ”godless” version.

          I don’t believe in gods, yours or anyone else’s so I only comment on what the bible ”says” concerning the actions of Yahweh.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          If it’s “subjective,” then you look rather slow when you have a problem with God. It’s subjective, remember. All you are saying is, you don’t like it.

          Question. Is it wrong in every case to kill a child AFTER it is born?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I donpt haver a problem with Yahweh as I don’t beleive in Yahweh.
          Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

          Question. Is it wrong in every case to kill a child AFTER it is born?

          I presume you mean murder. So my answer would be yes.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          I presume I asked exactly what I meant to ask. Is the answer still yes?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          To murder a child? Yes, of course.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Okay. Clearly you are sidestepping as your changing my question proves. Is it always wrong to end the life of a baby after it is born?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Now we are getting to the heart. of the morality eh W, as the post demands, as opposed to the circus tricks.🤡

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Well, that’s why I thought I would try to refocus things a bit.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Hi W-
          I told a fella the other day that the ‘victory’ from an atheistic point of view is to simply continue their train wreck of a narrative, as if there is a drop of credibility in an accidental creation which then creates its own ‘morality.’

          But ark/doug spends a lifetime trying to find a dime in the Sahara, then complains there is no archeological proof there are coins. Sheesh.

          The ship of common sense has sailed it seems and is replaced by the ship of fools, with apologies to good fools everywhere. lol

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Yes, be kind to the good fools. There are some of those. I remember being called a fool for Jesus, and you to actually. I think IB was in that list also. Good fools right there.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You will have to be specific and outline how a baby’s life is ended after it is born?
          I have no idea how this would be done but in the face of it,this sounds like murder.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          What’s the difference ark, whether a baby is killed when it is born, or at 8 months? It is simply a matter of geography. One inside, one outside the womb. We’re talking about morality here.

          But yeah, progress. Are you beginning to now see the premise of the post? Who are you to decide what murder is? Who decides what a male and a female is? Who decides what ‘marriage is?’

          Per the post, morality is not subject to the shifting tides, and does not care whose feelings are hurt. Until you recognize the highest Law of all, then your opinion may as well be as good as mine.

          Rest assured though, God’s word is a matter of fact, and this is what the godless find distasteful. Distasteful not because it is untrue, but because it IS true.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I have no belief in gods.

          Murder is murder.
          It makes a difference.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          By what evolutionary LAW is murder disapproved of? If your ‘survival of the fittest’ is fine and dandy, who are you to cry when a baby is killed at 8 months inside the womb, a day after he is born, or at age 12?

          Is it murder when a lion eats a gazelle? Who are you to decide what murder is?

          Without ABSOLUTES as I assert, go for it, kill who you want. Steal a cow. Steal a cake. Who cares? Only the strong survive anyway…………….

          That said, the title of the post makes great sense eh, as in Elusive.

          God and His word are most excellent, and set in motion every law known to man. You can’t even count to three without God’s help doug.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Who are you to decide what murder is?

          I don’t decide. The law does.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          So you are finally getting to the ROOT of the matter.

          Per the laws of the universe, that ALL things are subject to, including your next breath, there is One lawgiver, by whom, to whom, and through whom, all things consist.

          Yet, it is man, and not the bird, who has abused all law.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          And where can I find the laws of this One lawgiver?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Just look to the law of running water over a babbling brook.

          Nature is the finest of teachers after all, and did you know that the cascading sounds are perfectly pitched to the notes of the scale, which are also in harmony with the magnificent rainbow.

          Accidental? Evolutionary? Serendipitous? No.

          Thank God. It is time for you to flee from ignorance and bless God for your brain that dismisses it’s Maker.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Again, your conversations devolves into flowery rhetoric.

          You claim the ultimate lawgiver yet are unable to even list the laws he supposedly created.
          Surely you can list a few examples?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Doug-
          Do you intentionally act clueless?

          I answered your questionsIN THE POST.

          What Law? The laws of absolutes. ME AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM. Are you not subject to this beginning of law?

          The LAW of marriage. God’s institution, not yours.

          My post demolishes your sideshows. Sorry , but your questons have already been addressed. I am not a parrot.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Ah … so you are pointing to the Bible as the laws of the Ultimate Lawgiver.
          So stoning people to death for certain crimes, as listed in the bible and practiced by certain Muslim countries is okay then, yes?
          Stoning homosexuals to death for example?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I have no command to stone anybody, and I’m positive you do not either. Drop this line.

          And don’t waste your time introducing an irrelevant moos-lim point. I’d rather not bring further garbage into this already diversion if yours.

          But you should ask yourself WHY GOD told people NOT to lay with an animal…….Get this correct, and you will better u nderstand both Kaw and grace.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          If you need to be told not to have sex with an animal maybe you need help?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          I’m sorry this point is above your pay grade.

          Why do people need reminded not to lie, or steal? It is ALL sin-

          Stealing penny candy or corporate embezzling.-sin, an inconvenient word to you , but tough cookies.

          SIN is rampant in the world, and in YOUR heart too. Deal with it. Law is proof of rebellion in the heart of man.

          This post is clear enough.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Sin is stated as a transgression against Yahweh.
          I have no belief in Yahweh, therefore I do not recognise the term ”sin”.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          That’s nice doug, and I don’t recognize the New York Yankees as a ball team.

          Hope you now understand that ignorance is no excuse for denying the obvious.

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        • Arkenaten,
          Sin can also be seen as “missing the mark”, which is what the Jewish expression actually means. It is not only that it is a transgression against God, it is ultimately a transgression against man himself, because its consequences are not good for anyone. It’s not as if God arbitrarily decides what man can or cannot do. He cautions man against what will in the end hurt man.
          Another way to say it is that stealing is not wrong because the bible says that stealing is wrong, but that the bible says that stealing is wrong because it is in fact wrong.

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        • Arkenaten,
          You pose valid questions.
          The bible is God’s revelation of himself to man. In the course of human history, God takes a very, very primitive people, who eventually form a Jewish tribe and then nation, and gradually weans them off their savagery, despite recurring regressions. Jesus comes as God incarnate to bring to this people a new standard of conduct which far surpasses the morality of first century Jews. It calls for self sacrificial love, something very difficult to do in practice, as you probably can understand.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Water-

          Can I suggest you invite ark to your place since we have gone so far off radar.

          He will enjoy the ‘catholic’ conversation, and will be happy to berate you for it, but it really is not the issue on the table- we could talk about every ism and schism under the sun, and all it does is feeds the atheists ignorance of facts as well as the truth of God’s word.

          He would be happy to trade links

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        • Colorstorm,
          Thanks for the measured tone. We owe it to Arkenaten also.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          The bible is largely geopolitical fiction.

          (The host adds: Idiotic comments like this cannot be printed without a word from the sponsor, and wil be corrected HERE and NOW. LARGELY? Largely? LARGELY? How about ZEROLY? HOW ABOUT PERFECTLY ACCURATE IN EVERY WAY? So the Tigris and Euphrates as defined in Genesis, are geo fiction? Reminder: THE ELUSIVE MORAL COMPASS? Try to put a dent in /Genesis, hoping everything falls? Can’t do it. The Creator of Geography knew perfectly well where He placed the rivers of the earth.

          The Red sea, the Meditteranean, the Jordan, Cana, Bethlehem, Ur, Joppa, Jericho, King Darius, Haman, Esther, Mordecai, Babylon, Abraham, Pilate, Gamaliel, Daniel, Mishael, Michael, all fiction eh? And people wonder why believers have such little tolerance for the games of the atheist.)

          Thus proving yet again, and quite easily, that the moral compass in the hands of the atheist does not point north, but points to himself.)

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        • Arkenaten,
          Would you like to continue this conversation on my blog? I have been requested to do so by ColorStorm.
          If so, get on to one of my posts and we can continue.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Is there something in particular you wished to discuss?
          Please be specific.

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        • Arkenaten,
          I only had in mind the responses I made to you above for a start, for an honest exchange of views, no more no less.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Fine …
          Open up a thread at your spot, post a link and I’ll pop over.

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        • Arkenaten,
          Good question.
          A good start is your conscience. God will prompt you, in your heart, to do the right thing. If you listen, it strengthens your conscience, if you don’t it weakens it. That’s why robbers eventually do not consider stealing such a big thing.
          For Christians, God’s revelation to them, what they generally term “the Word of God”. And that is not the bible per se. It is first and foremost , as John 1 tells us, the “Logos” or Jesus Christ incarnate, Jesus’ teachings, both oral and those written down in the new testament, the teachings of his apostles, both oral and those committed to writing in the new testament, and the teachings of the church Jesus founded. There are also other expressions of the Word of God, for example his creative word which made the universe, etc.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          The Law decides? That is a stupid answer. The law is not a thinking, living thing that makes decisions. Man decides(according to man, at any rate,) and puts the law in place to execute what man has decided.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Yes!
          Exactly. Man decides.
          And this is how it has always been.

          And we can observe how the law has changed over the millenia/years.

          Once upon a time it was considered perfectly legal to stone someone to death for a variety of transgressions.

          In so-called civilized countries this no longer happens.
          But in certain Muslim countries it is still carried out.
          If we don’t decide on laws who else will?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          We aren’t talking about stoning people. You bring that up to avoid the question.

          Answer it, you spineless coward.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          What question?
          I am´neither coward nor spineless.

          The law is an integral part of secular society.
          Without it there would likely be chaos.
          If you want to live in what basically amounts to a theocracy then I suggest you study the laws of a country such as Saudi Arabia.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          I don’t have an issue with law, and I have no interest in a theocracy. You know the question and yes, you show your spinelessness by not answering it. Have one.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          No, Wally, it now you who are playing the Straw man.
          You want religious freedom but this can only truly materialize in a secular democracy.
          You want to dictate what you ( and you own particular religious interpretation) consider to be the right moral law but shy away in horror at some of the way it is applied in certain Muslim countries.

          I am afraid it doesn’t work this way.
          Granted, the current status quo regarding the laws you seem upset about may very well change in the future.
          Maybe stoning and other forms of biblical capital punishment may return? Who knows?
          For now though, we will have to make do with the laws passed by our various secular democracies.
          And one of the great things about democracy is if you don’t like the current laws you can vote to have them changed.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I gave you an answer.
          All laws are man made.
          ow could this be otherwise?
          Again, if you want a different answer then be specific and explain exactly what you are alluding to.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          I asked you questions. Answer them.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I’m pretty sure I have addressed and answered every question you have put to me.
          If you think I have missed one/some then point them / it out and I give you my word I will answer.

          Over to you …

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        • Wally Fry says:

          No, you have not; and, you won’t ever. Atheism is so pathetic. The average atheist won’t even stand by what he believes. “It’s all subjective,” is the fall back position. Thereby both allowing the atheist to do what pleases him, or be absolved of any personal responsibility. Pathetic, really. Peach out Ark. Have one.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You really do lose it sometimes for no apparent reason, Wally.
          You asked if killing a newborn was in any way acceptable. I directed you to the pediatric link.
          Are you saying such in such cases it is immoral to withdraw vital medical treatment , life support even, where the child is in constant pain and stress and will never fully recover? Well, are you?

          I agreed that killing a newborn child is surely regarded as murder and asked who would do such a thing and in what manner and for what possible reason?
          It is you who has REFUSED to answer.

          So what is your problem?
          Where have I refused to answer?

          And as usual you resort to having a rant and fling out ad homs.

          If you refuse to be honest and actually tell me what you are trying to get at then don’t expect me to be a mind-reader.

          And atheism is one thing and one thing only.
          The lack of belief in gods. Period.

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        • Arkenaten,
          All secular laws are man made.
          Christians believe that God also gave them moral laws, and adhere to those.
          A very interesting book I read recently is Rodney Stark’s “The Victory of Reason”, which shows among other things that the democracy we enjoy – for how long? – in the west, is founded on Judeo Christian principles. A fascinating book.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          As you have just banned me from your blog because you are unable to face the truth, I will not respond to a hypocrite.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Who are u talking to?

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        • Arkenaten says:

          For some reason his stupid comment just appeared in my feed.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Oh ok Tkx for clarification

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        • Arkenaten,
          The law is essentially a good thing, and so is the separation of church and state, at least on this earth, and the apostle Paul encourages us to obey the civil laws, unless they were morally wrong.

          (THE HOST SAYS: I would be fair to both correct and add to any opinion/description of God’s law, whether it be from an atheist opposing it, or anybody affirming it. The law is ESSENTIALLY a good thing? This while on the surface may appear accurate, it falls short. ESSENTIALLY is ambiguous. Paul says dogmatically and specifically:

          The law IS good, IF a man use it lawfully, and sad to say, many do not use it lawfully and correctly. Law exposes the crooked heart of man. Since we are speaking of moral absolutes, it is necessary to cite God’s truths as absolutely correct.)

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Fine, don’t answer the question. I asked it. You understand it. I will rephrase for the obtuse:

          In all cases, at all times, is it wrong for any person to end the life of a newborn baby intentionally.

          Easy. You can do this(maybe?)

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Would you include willfully withholding medical intervention for certain crippling illness/conditions ?
          To illustrate the point further. My younger brother was involved in a car accident when he was 18 and was admitted to hospital with irreparable brain damage.
          Of course this depends n the reliability of Or so the doctors claimed.

          Perhaps he could have recovered?
          Perhaps he may have suddenly woken up and been a right as rain?
          You never know?
          Perhaps your god (EDIT: PLEASE SPEAK OF GOD AS GOD AND NOT god, such as you did below. Tkx) could have intervened?
          I know my mother prayed non stop that God would intervene.
          Unfortunately her prayers went unanswered.
          I was present at my brother’s bedside when all life support was suspended and he died.
          Although, technically, he was only being kept alive ( breathing) by a machine, so death i this case might be an ambiguous term.
          So, my question is:,do you consider those who agreed to the termination of life support were in some way complicit (responsible , guilty) in the premature or unnecessary ending of my brother’s life?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Well, first I am truly sorry about your brother. I have been in that same place with my own mother, and it’s very hard.

          You also know my question is not about that.

          Look, Ark. You have been asked a simple question. Yet, you cloud it up with word garbage to avoid asking it. You know what I am asking, and you also know you can’t answer it.

          No sweat. Your non answer is an answer.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          To kill a perfectly healthy new born baby is murder.
          What else can it possibly be considered as?

          However, perhaps this pediatrics article may be what you are getting at?
          I think it covers your question.
          If not, then as I asked before you will have to be specific about your statement of ”any reason”.
          http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/135/3/545

          EDIT- PLEASE DOUG- we can swap endless links- our points should stand their own. Do you see me posting a thousand ‘stationary’ links?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Sigh. I DID NOT ASK YOU ABOUT DISCONTINUING MEDICAL TREATMENT.

          I asked you if, at any time, it is okay to actively end the life of a newborn baby.

          “Perfectly healthy huh? That says it all.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          This is why I included the link.
          For what reason would one want to kil a newborn baby?
          And how on earth would this be done?
          Smothering, lethal injection? How exactly and who would be responsible for killing the newborn?
          Again, to do so would surely be murder.
          I get the feeling you believe I am missing some crucial point here.
          So, please, spit it out. What are you trying to say?
          I’m serious, I really am not getting it.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          So, it’s wrong to actively end the life of a newborn child? I think maybe you are saying that, but it’s hard to discern in your word salad.

          What if raising that baby will be detrimental to the mother’s health?

          What if due to circumstances that child will face a life of poverty and woe?

          What if it is going to take away the opportunity for the parents to have they life they dreamed of?

          What if the child is quite able to live, but his or her “quality of life,” is going to be questionable(as detemined by..who knows)

          Is it okay to kill that child then?

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Oh, yeah. The veil was rent. I have plenty of direct acces to the source. Your theology sucks, too.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          If you cannot see the difference that I pointed out above- between the windy opinions of ‘feelings’ which are subject to circumstances, and the concrete word of God….

          In addition, you have no claim to even speak of Yahweh – a covenant al name not given to you-

          I would start with God, as One God over all. There is the beginning Of wisdom and of course morality.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          You consider the ultimate source for morals is Yahweh.
          I don’t.
          You need to prove your case.
          You haven’t.

          Therefore, you are operating on ”feelings” as much as I am.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Read the post again. What annoys you is the fact that I recognize absolute truth- while you have fabricated your own compass, just as I asserted.

          I really don’t have time to entertain what is obvious.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          I really don’t have time to entertain what is obvious.

          That you refuse to acknowledge the state and motion of our planet and yet still cling to your compass metaphor it is patently obvious you don’t have time to entertain what is obvious.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Nice job Doug in your usual sideshow manner- your antics are aware to anybody who can render a reason.

          For the third time, do read the post again s l o w l y before u return.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          Did read it.
          Told you, I commented on your compass metaphor to show your ignorance.
          Any direct question you have regarding the post feel free to ask.

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Ok then, you are done here then right? Maybe await another friend who is smarter than me.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Don’t sweat it ColorStorm, Arks’s only recourse when stumped is to point out the personal shortcomings of Christians. He was just over at my place, just to make sure all my readers know what a jerk I am. LOL.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Ark, you craven coward. You can’t fomulate an asnwer here so you have to go to my place in some feeble, misguided effort to prove to my brothers and sisters that I am out of line. Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

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      • Arkenaten,
        You are right about insulting the creator, but we do have free will, and God is not responsible for our choices.

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    • Citizen Tom says:

      Thanks Wally. I got a good laugh out of your comment.

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  3. Arkenaten says:

    (ETC- ARK- do you like my new additions? Serves you well for once more trying to derail a post- I will not have it- so if you cannot stay on point as Wally observed- I will take your sad song and make it better)

    Have no fear, CS, I fully comprehend your post and your assertion that without your god … sorry Yahweh-given morality humans would be metaphorically directionless, having no Ultimate Base to point to regarding where they acquired their ”moral compass”, and thus would be runnig around creating mayhem without a second thought.

    Of course, the onus is on you to demonstrate this, but your stock answer will likely be flowery rhetoric.
    I merely wanted to point out that your use of the compass metaphor held a large dollop of irony as f it flies in the face of your belief in a stationary earth, and all this implies as I mentioned in my opening comment..

    As hard as you try, you cannot escape the science.

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  4. “God is Truth”
    End of sentence.

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  5. “Moral Compass” on your path in life,
    I agree some are wandering around, totally lost, on our planet on their paths in life. in my opinion,

    Regards and good will blogging.

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    • Arkenaten says:

      Would you consider this applies to the abundant variety of different forms of Christian faith/religion?

      (EDIT note: JACK THE BARBARIAN SEZ- like who can’t see where the implication of this question is headed. Geez. )

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    • ColorStorm says:

      And to be fair, as I said elsewhere, we as believers have far too often pitched our tents with the godless in accepting their godawful science, as it is ‘science falsely so-called’ in the good book.

      God is not surprised at the machinery of the ages that tries to displace Him at every turn.

      Truly is ‘science’ the modern day golden calf, the ‘new’ morality as it were.

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  6. Citizen Tom says:

    @ColorStorm

    Enjoyed your post! Well done!

    Your Atheist commenter hates God, I think. Why? I could speculate, but I don’t think it does much good to personalize our discussions. They more easily become arguments.

    Then why make this point? What happens when we misuse a compass? We get lost. What rational person wants to be lost? Well, if we dispise the one who made the compass, what is the likelihood we will have any faith in it?

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  7. Arkenaten says:

    Don’t be so utterly ridiculous , Tom.
    I don’t hate something I have no belief in.
    When I ate meat I couldn’t stand liver and onions, but as much as it turned my stomach I didn’t hate it, and it was real and I certainly ”believed” in it! .

    As for being lost. Well, I have always felt my path to be pretty my true to my own inner compass.
    I strongly recommend you have a chat with a deconvert and ask any of them if their compass is pointing true (north) now that they have given up on all things supernatural.

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