Saw this today out of nowhere. Watch the whole thing, consider the man’s background and areas of expertise. Watch how he answers other’s objections. Notice how matter-of-fact he presents his arguments. Tell me if he is reasonable, sane, professional, knowledgeable, and tell me if he is credible and raises valid concerns. Enjoy.
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Great Lion, this is a timely post given the continuous, pervasive, shameless lying by our ruling class establishment in politics, global corporate, Hollywood, mainstream media and Big Tech.
What we actually know and what we accept on faith are two topics covered during the first week of my 9th grade physics class. The fancy philosophical word is called epistemology. We cover the topic because it is conducive to keeping an open mind about things and to being cautious about what we think we know.
I have decided to trust Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins, of Apollo 11, the first manned mission to the moon. Also, moon rocks were brought back to the earth. That is hard physical evidence of the moon landings. Though, that “fact” must be taken on faith, since I have no first hand knowledge of moon rock acquisition. Though I have seen moon rocks with my own eyes, were they really moon rocks? I trust that yes.
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Of all the lousy opinions Silence, the vid poster comes from a solid background specializing in the camera of note, thus making his opinion a bit more valuable
the TV reception is a problem. Transmission through the radiation belts which to this day, NASA stated they haven’t figured it out yet how to pass through safely. But men and film did it easily in a day when tech was in kindergarten? Too many loopholes.
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Great Lion, The NASA astronauts who landed on the Moon have reputations that put your video poster to shame. That is why I believe them over someone who is simply stating a personal opinion.
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FOng said he ‘does not know if men were there,’ but he did say he was certain the photos were not done on the moon. This distinction is huge.
However, he does have doubts based on much more. The conversation is still good.
My take? Men have, and will still have the desire to erect Babel – to reach heaven as it were. God is not impressed S.
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Great Lion, Like you and your atheists compatriots, Fong is only stating a personal opinion as if it were the Gospel truth.
I recommend that you attend my 9th grade class so that you can learn about how not to be bamboozled by charlatans.
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Ha! At least Doug and ark agree w/ u.
Strange alliance eh? lol
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Great Lion, A clock is right twice a day. Let’s just call that the Doug-Chimpanzee Effect, for which I am not responsible. I just call like I see it.
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You should not put the two Doug’s in the same boat. Doug the Knight, while he may disagree, is reasonable, amiable, and not caustic in his opposition. He is balanced and tolerates dissent. He even thinks there may be a God above all.
Doug the ark however finds it difficult to find any value in anything that does not support atheism or evolution. He laughs at God and mocks scripture.
So don’t confuse the two.
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Great Lion, There is Doug. And then there is Ark the Chimpanzee. So don’t confuse the two.
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And thank you as well, sir. I am sure there is a chimp somewhere in my ancestral evolution.. but that’s for another debate on another day. 🙂
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Doug, I assure you that you are 100% human being.
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Thanks, although a chimp’s life seems not all that bad on occasion. 🙂
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Good Doug, I was just messing around. And you responded with an excellent display of good humor. That is why your comments are cherished.
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Well, thank you, CS.. that was kind of you to present me that way. I was not aware there was another “Doug” floating around here. Important differences to be sure.
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I watched the entire video.. and oddly enough, there is a very solid rebuttal to what your video fellow suggests.. here…
I pretty much accept the moon landings and similar events of note performed by the government on the basis of more human terms… because that is the one thing I usually do fall back on in being a self-proclaimed humanist. In this case, to completely fake the entire thing in some grand conspiracy would have taken an immense number of people to.. I dunno, pay off? Humans do not keep secrets well even on a good day. The more humans involved the more risky the secrets get out. If for nothing else, there’s the human propensity to want to share what we know, what no one else knows, to give ourselves a level of importance; that somehow we were singled out to be included in some loop of knowledge not afforded to others.
The other thing is a truly perceptive and inquisitive media that enjoys following up on alt-possibilities to get a scoop. It matters not if NASA controlled all the video feeds.. if something was even a bit suspicious to the network video techies of the day the media would have been all over it.
Think about it… all those technicians on the ground and in the gantry tower watching them get out of their vehicle and walk up and get inside the rocket… and the rocket went up (where would it have gone given all the tracking stations following it?)… and then a splashdown and they pop the hatch. technicians all over the place. Everyone sworn to some secrecy? What’s the motivation.. some crazy patriotism? Being threatened with death or simply “vanishing” somewhere?
De Grasse-Tyson perhaps said it best… it would have been far easier to just send them to the Moon than put together all the elements to fake it.
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Tkx Doug for watching it. Your comment is good because it is popular in the areas covered. Way too much to unpack, but your rebuttal vid falls short.
Fong appears more credible when he says ‘I don’t know if men went to the moon or not, but I do know these photos were not taken there.’ Keep in mind his background knowing THAT camera and film.
But you had to ruin it by bringing up Tyson. He is a clown sorry to say, as he refuses to debate people smarter than him while he is all about science……..How dare anybody question him!
Also, in a room of a thousand computer geeks, people are focused on THEIR assigned tasks., and can be clueless as to the big picture.
Then there are the words of Don Petit, the nasa genius when asked why we have not been back to the moon: ‘we would in a nanosecond, but we destroyed that technology, and it’s a painful process to rebuild……….’ !!!!!!!!!!!!
What reasonable person person falls for that answer?
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Yawn ..
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The chimpanzee’s response to Shakespeare.
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Being a simpleton as you are what sort of response would you expect to the nonsense on this post?
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As CS does not allow links to videos look up: Debunking Gary Fong.
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Hi ark:
Doug slipped one by. 🙂
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Ark, Your buddy Doug posted that video here 2 hours ago.
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Did he? I missed the link. But if you watched it you’ll understand why Fong gets it wrong.
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I’m surprised that you find a Hasselblad expert boring.
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And let’s remember there is SOM the intellectually disabled who considers he is a sinner and can only be be saved via the blood of a 1st century human sacrifice.
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Ha! This reminds me of one of my favorite jokes, “if we can send a man to the moon, why can’t we just send them all there?”
I used to believe in Doug’s concept, that a conspiracy is unlikely if it requires a lot of people to be involved, because humans are not very good at keeping secrets. I have since become much more jaded. Heck, you could just organize a worldwide takeover and broadcast it live on TV, and 90% of us would see nothing wrong or unusual. In fact, we’d be be tripping over one another to see who can get in line first for our thumb implants.
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Life teaches us to become cynics.. and jaded because we find elements of life frustrating and unable to be changed. I fall into that as well on some things… and the four walls of my humble abode (and those living within it) become the recipient of my tirades. Then for some reason when I walk out of the house I’m generally bathed in hope. I don’t tend to see the world as a bunch of lemmings heading over the cliff and I am the only one who truly knows which way to go.
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True enough. I seem to recall recently how the WHOLE world was duped into compliance, telling us that face diapers would save us from certain death.
Or should we say ‘forced into submission,’ because of the ‘science’ doncha know.
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When I was in the USAF, I had a job at Johnson Space Center. So, I know what mission control does and that that part is most certainly real.
One thing that amazes me is the fact that people are so ready to believe in things like nuclear warheads and global warming, but they have a difficult time believing we can put a man on the moon. If we can fake a moon launch, why couldn’t we fake a nuclear explosion? Well, we did have to convince the Japanese that our nuclear bombs were real, and fake nuclear explosions don’t kill anyone. So, we had to destroy two cities. 😥 Similarly, we had to convince the USSR that our nuclear tipped ICBMs would work. We had to put men on the moon. Even then astronauts died in a training accident.
The technology we use to deliver nuclear warheads on missiles is very much like the technology we used to put men on the moon. Could our government have faked it? I suppose so, but there were too many people — the USSR and other foreign powers, the opposition political party, scientists and engineers who would have hated the lie, and so forth — who would have fought vigorously to expose such fakery. As it was, NASA broadcasted the whole thing and did everything it could to be as transparent as possible. That’s why very few baby boomers doubt that we put men on the moon.
So, why have we not done it again? When we put men on the moon, we performed a stunt. There was almost no practical value in going to the moon for its own sake, but the stunt proved to the world and to the USSR, in particular, that it did not make much sense to mess with the USA. That is, the stunt had value, but establishing continuous operations on the moon did not.
Why call going to the moon a stunt? It took $100 billion in 1960’s dollars to put men on the moon, and we were barely able to put a couple men on the moon who bring back a few rocks. We did some pure scientific research and developed some fabulous technology, but the cost/benefit of putting people on the moon was highly negative.
Now? Now we have developed technology we did not have in the 1960’s. So, I suspect we will soon be putting put people on the moon once again. When that happens, the naysayers, at least those still breathing, will be rendered mute. When we keep our mouths shut, even the foolish among us appear wise, something we all have to learn from time to time.
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To be fair CT/ There aren’t many people who doubt the ‘moon launch’ or warheads, but I doubt the ‘global warming’ thing has teeth.
Personally, I avoid the word ‘conspiracy,’ just calling things the way it is. I’m pretty sure the Creator has given us the ability to decide whether he made the earth as an amusement park for his pleasure.
Do you think it is reasonable to assume men built the Empire State Building knowing it would have to stand up to daily gyrations and insane speeds rocking and rolling through ‘space?’
Who builds on an unstable foundation; we may as well build on sand or water. But ask yourself, what do your everyday experiences tell you about where we live, and what do your senses suggest as to whether the sun moves or that we move?
Would you arrive at these conclusions apart from the ‘instruction’ or prejudice of others?
Tkx for the comment though, always welcome.
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I took the idea of global warming seriously for a little while. Then, while I was still in graduate school in the 70’s, I asked a grizzled old geology professor about it. He was angry but he refused to say anything. That was puzzling, but I saw something was wrong. I wondered why he shut up. That was not characteristic of him.
Our earth may be a relatively little globe circling the sun, but it is actually fairly stable. It is amazing how predictably our planet rotates around its axis and revolves around the sun. Instead of worrying about daily gyrations and insane speeds rocking and rolling through ‘space’, I am more concerned about earthquakes.
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Yeah I get it t/ I don’t worry about any if it anyway- it’s not like my vote will stop the great Fault lines….
Anyway, are u aware there are many many many people- some considerably scholarly- many of years gone by- many in various fields of study- many before Ptolemy and Coper/ and many of recent years- who hold a stout view that earth ( terra firma as we know it) is in fact NOT a planet, not one of nine or ten, but one of one- and that they arrived at this because of cautious and sincere study- using reason, fact, and scripture?
So indeed is the conversation valuable because it forces us to ponder what we hold to and why. It’s like the Scopes trial, drawing out evidence and doing battle without blood. It’s all good.
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Socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living. In other words, if we don’t carefully examine what we believe, then we will go through life believing things that are not true, and we will miss knowing things we could have known and absolutely need to know.
Consider that no one is born saved by Jesus, that we have to learn about the fact God exists. We must learn that God cares about us, that He loves us. Consider that we learn to love because we are loved.
We are born with an inward focus. I am hungry. I am thirsty. I am lonely. I am bored. I want this, and I want that. Mine is practically the second word a child learns. We must learn to shift our point-of-view to see things from someone else’s point-of-view. Ultimately, we must strive with all we have to view our self and Creation from God’s point-of-view. Until we seek to shift our point-of-view from our self to God, we cannot truly examine our life and try to understand what God wants us to become, and that is why an unexamined life is not worth living.
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Have to agree here entirely.
It is still worthy to hash out differences- it’s what we do on WP right? It’s what you do re. Politics left/ right/ good/ evil/
30 genders/ 2 genders…. What is right drives us, that is, what is correct.
Some are just as passionate about refuting centuries old claims of indoctrinations and assumptions about where we live.
I for one, seem to think it is far more important than just ‘agreeing to disagree’ like the irrelevance of choosing a doughnut.
It has to do with this: can God be trusted. Is His word true? Is the devil a liar? Things surely worth examining in full. I’ll take God’s truths over 10,000 scientists opinions and be happy in the minority, for God and one is a majority.
Not popular, but right.
And you are correct- we are told to ‘examine yourselves……..’ so says the good book.
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Yep!
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Yikes John!! First the shape of the earth… now the Moon Landings? Just sayin’… Yikes!!
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My skepticism is based on observations of actual fraud, lies, deceit, criminal politics, altered accounts of history, ( more lying) and putting information together to form sound conclusions.
The video maker is credible because he admits: ‘I don’t know if men went to the moon, but I do know these photos were not taken there.’
Do you have the credentials to express competence in the film/camera field, notably the Hasselblad???
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I’m pretty sure Fong has never had an opportunity to examine the actual cameras used or talk to Hasselblad to get the schematics on the actual cameras they modified for the missions. The response/rebuttal video posted in the comments would be a good start for you if you really wanted those answers. But then again, you prob won’t care about those either. No John, neither you or I have the “chops” to critique the science of wither video or NASA or Hasselblad… admitted on my side. How about you?
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For the love of God, put aside your bias.
NASA ‘engineers’ admitted they ‘destroyed the technology’ used for the ‘mission,’ and ‘it’s too difficult to recreate……..’ Yeah, ok.
Furthermore, it’s embarrassing to think the Creator would allow puny arrogant men to ride dune buggies and play golf on His celestial light……..
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Pretty sure both NASA and Hasselblad still have the schematics for their “modified” cameras used on the missions… bias is when you’ve seen all the info, yet still hold your opinion. Neither you or fong have “seen all the info” if you haven’t either examined the actual cameras or examined the schematics for the actual cameras that we’re modified specially for the missions. Your bias is showing , John. Not mine.
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Pretty sure eh? When I reminded you NASA said themselves they ‘destroyed………..’ includes papers/ tests/ diagrams, etc etc etc.
Truth is, with today’s sleuth work through cross references and ‘experts’ not employed by them, it is more difficult to continue fraud.
If the live interview of the three men themselves does not convince you of high crimes, after allegedly pulling off the greatest feat the world has seen- if their posture/ words/ nervous looks at each other- does not raise to the level of suspicion- I suppose I can’t help you.
But you will get in line for the next c-19 shot- because SCIENCE and the likes of fauxi said so. I can spot lies without even trying.
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So… did you call the manufacturer, Hasselblad too to see if they still had the schematics? Did you even followmiip and call NASA to make sure they didn’t still have the schematics? At this point John, you’re just digging a hole.
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Omg please stop. You WANT to believe, good for you. The camera/ film issue is one of thousands of reasons why you should be suspicious.
Did I mention the association of NASA with Walt Disney the animator? Did u never see the video of the three men live answering questions about their ‘mission?’
And have you never saw the vid with genius Don Petit ad the NASA spokesman as to WHY Americans never went back…….
I could do this all night, but it’s boring talking to be willfully deaf.
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Keep on digging that hole
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Ok, and you keep spinning on that alleged ball…..
Your issue will always be with true science, not ‘science falsely so-called….’ and with scripture as well as God Himself.
Have a great life.
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