–Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king… its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists- N. Tesla
Love stuff like this, as long held sacred cows are laid waste. In addition, Degrasse when asked what gravity is said, ‘ I don’t know, but we can measure with it…..’ uh huh, sure Neil.
In the world of reality, to know something is to be able to explain it, thus the quote by Tesla. Theories, formulas, ideas, are a dime a dozen and hold up on paper, but are washed away with a days rain.
The apostles of gravity say it is strong enough to ‘hold down’ the oceans of the world – but, But, BUT… too weak to pull a single drop of dew from a blade of grass.
Theories, formulas, wild equations and such, are mocked by nature. Butterflies ignore this gravity thing. Balloons ignore it as well.
Far too many dressed in purple.
What part of Einstein’s relativity did Tesla have trouble with? Einstein’s work was ground breaking and needed to be fleshed out. So what? That is what science is all about. But Einstein’s relativity forms the foundation of our understanding of the cosmos.
Another thing, Neil de Grasse is a black guy. Your picture is of Bill Nye the Science Guy who is actually a comedian. So it is not surprising that he doesn’t know what gravity is.
According to Einstein, gravity is a warping of space-time caused by the mass of an object. This was proven by observations taken from the Hubble Space Telescope.
Tkx Silence- yep fully aware what color Neil is- just wanted to add another of the same cloth- 2 high priests of ‘science.’
Both Neil and Nye have laughed at the scientific ‘impossiblity’ of the ark and Noah’s family.
They both adored Einstein. Tesla put the theories in the proper bins- that of imagination, where he who has the cleverest explanation wins the day.
Heard earlier today that ‘scientists’ have just heard radio waves, which TheySay- are billions of years old. THIS is what is known as guesswork- the antithesis of science- stating as fact things which are conjecture- things not observable, not observable, and not repeatable- things which true science demands.
If u think these guys are mental giants, no wonder we disagree so often. They represent the science of atheism, or better yet, meebottery.
I’m sorry S, I should have included Dr. A. Fauci as one of those high priests….SO revered by scientists everywhere who mind their own business.
Doctor Anthony Fauci is a genocidal maniac. He is what science is not. In fact, science was as much a victim of the COVID-19 pandemic as the rest of us were.
And yet another reason why ID and YEC are not taught in public schools.
I am quite surprised you haven’t yet done a post informing us how your god,Yahweh buried dinosaur bones just to screw with archaeologists!
The public school systems teach all sorts of crap like critical race theory, US history according to anti-American communist Howard Zinn, equity, global warming, LGBTQ sexual deviance and on and on.
Intelligent design is obvious although young earth is obviously religious doctrine, not science. Students should be allowed to grapple with those view points.
ID is Creationism in a badly fitting dress.
Its proponents concocted the Wedge Document as a means of disingenuously hiding the Christian god,Yahweh.
You need to broaden your reading material on the subject.
Ark, Intelligent Design is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. Belief in atheism requires a brain that isn’t functioning. Therefore, it is easily realized that this conversation is far beyond your capacity to understand.
Yeah Silence, ask ark HOW and WHY blood and water appeared from a non intelligent accidental beginning.
Truly there is a wiring malfunction in the brain, maybe better known as willful blindness, or still better yet, a severe case of meebottery. Me. Me. Me. None greater than ME. It’s the eleventh plague.
ID Creationism. Read any of the articles on the Wedge Document.
Or read the document itself.
You don’t need that much of a functioning brain to grasp the theological ideology behind it.
Stephen Meyer admitted as such when he published his book: Return of theGod hypothesis.
I realise hard core Indoctrinated Christians like you struggle with fact and truth but there’s not much I can do about this.
ID is Creationism.
The IDers acknowledge
Why don’t you?
You are aware ark that you can NEVER win an argument against creation?
After all, that 9′ dunce Goliath who was much stronger than you, forfeited his brain by he who had a much stronger God.
Instead of reading uninspired books, try Gods word from cover to cover. Learn how sunlight is temporary- learn that the earth sits IN the water…… yeah, study the monarch of books and a real education.
What this garbage has to do with Silence asserting ID is not Creationism is beyond me.
The pair of you are exemplars of Indoctrination and Ignorance.
A Flat Earther & A Raving Creationist
Tweedledum and Twedledee of Christianity.
Shall I refer you to twin pillars of truth: Peter and Paul- who disagreed on major points? So what. It’s proof we are not stamped imbeciles like non thinking atheists who refuse to engage the God given Brain.
Again, I refer you to the Wedge Document and the admitted theological ideology behind it.
Your feeble attempt at derailing the thread once again illustrates your disingenuity.
You don’t play link pong, I don’t play semantics with indoctrinated fools.
I’m off to watch a film.
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
Ark, I don’t need someone to tell me what to think. That is because I have developed the capacity to think for myself. Intelligent design is obvious to anyone who has a functioning mind. Atheists call the obvious, “religious doctrine” to make stupid work out for them.
I’m not telling you how to think. I am, however pointing out that you arenot thinking.
If you refuse to read the Wedge Document or even acknowledge it, then this is your choice. A choice that suggests you have opted to remain ignorant, even in the face of an open admission from Stephen Meyer, one of the main proponents of ID, regarding the theological motivation behind the drive to get this fallacious crap taught in schools.
For you to go this route further diminishes your already minimal credibility and simply show wass you willingly give a nod to liars and ignorant fools.
Schools? Ha, you are far too shortsighted. The plan is over years- to get a semblance of fairness in Universities, media, politics, etc, where godless evolution has long reigned supreme.
As an academic proposal, what correct minded instructor would reject hearing ‘alternative’ views in a curriculum that strives for truth in things?
What are you afraid of??? Go ahead, teach atheistic godless evolution in my class, I’ll dismantle it before lunch. The teacher just may want to change careers.
Dirt. Blood. Water. Light. Male. Female. Yep, all orchestrated by accident. But you are serving this post well as what pretends to be intellect.
If ID was based on evidence it would replace evolution.
It is not.
And yet here you are- speaking with intelligence. Geez, you just don’t get it.
What are you, thick as a brick?
Says the Flat Earther!
Flat earthers are vastly superior to atheists who, by definition are complete idiots.
Says the ID er who does not understand the difference between an unsubstantiated claim and evidence and thus resorts to ad Hons when he is called out.
You are no less of a hypocrite than Meyer and his gang of science denying misfits.
Ark, You have shown countless times that you are impervious to real evidence. To you, evidence is anything you agree with. Intelligent design is obvious to anyone who is science literate. And anyone who is science literate understands that intelligent design and evolution do not conflict. Maybe evolution is but a mechanism intelligently designed into the biology of all living creatures.
Probably the greatest evidence against evolution being the alpha and omega of speciation is the existence of man.
Again, your continual obtuse behaviour is indicative of the indoctrinated mind.
Once again, the Wedge Document is perfectly clear in its intentions and the disingenuity of those who tried to mask the fact they were attempting to smuggle in your god, Yahweh.
Science literate folk have long recognised this.
Only blind fools continue to accept the charade.
Ark, You are the indoctrinated one, not me. I am a man of science. In fact, I teach mathematics and physics. You teach nothing. You probably post from your mommy’s basement. You are an atheist idiot. Atheist = Idiot.
I told ark some time ago that he dabbles in faith without even knowing it. When he develops his film in the lab, he does so by faith………faith in expecting the unseen to become reality. ‘Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.’
Who would have thought, a religious atheist. Even the wrath of man praises God.
Great Lion, You and I know that man is top cuddle for God Almighty, even above the angels. God made us for him, to glory in Him, to revel in His love.
By renouncing God, the atheist renders himself a stupid brute. Therefore, it is our duty to rebuke the stupid brute that he might join the human family in its love for his loving Creator.
Well,I am impressed you are able to type one handed while having a tight grasp on your penis.
The Wedge Document is leftist propaganda only stupid people and children could possibly believe. It’s why I got together with a few moms and dads and founded a Catholic classical high school.
The Wedge Document is ID .
Ark, You are a liar. Why lie about things that are so easily verified?
“Ark, you are a liar. Why lie about things that are so easily verified?
@.Silence of mind.
I do not lie
Go screw yourself.
Ark, Only idiots quote Wikipedia. My goodness, but you are completely lost.
Wiki has enough links to check the data. As I have told you numerous times already,Meyer acknowledged the intent of ID and cited your god, Yahweh as the ‘ intelligence'( sic) in his book.
And all you have to do is read the document – it’s freely available online.
If you wish to continue behaving like an obtuse ignoramus, however, then please, don’t let me stand in your way.
Ark, At my school our students are prohibited from citing Wikipedia. When I was in college, if I cited Wikipedia I would have gotten an F.
Wikipedia is a leftist propaganda mill only an idiot could love.
If you don’t like wiki, read the Wedge Document.It is online.
Or, as already mentioned, read what Meyer himself acknowkedged. He admits, your god Yahweh is the supposed intelligence (sic) behind the ‘design’.
Only an obtuse idiot would continue to harp on about Wiki when the original source has already been provided for them.
But to summarise
ID is Creationism in a rather tatty party frock.
So, don’t be lazy. Go read what the Creationists say.
Thank you for consistently proving my greater premises. You are rock solid reliable in representing man’s failures to acknowledge anyone and anything greater than you.
In all disciplines of life, there is always one better, faster, smarter, wiser.
Here’s a quiz for you. Take out a piece of paper, draw a circle about a foot. Leave it empty. Now mark with a dot EVERYTHING you think you know. Is that dot larger than a period with 99% of white negative space remaining?
Now consider the possibility/rather certainty, that your comprehension of God and Truth is contained in that 99% of things you do not know.
Thus, back to my quote: Geniuses are pretended fools wearing colorful clothes duping they who refuse to see for themselves.
Instead of relying on links/ others writings/ why don’t you dive into the REAL issues of life:
Blood. bones. water. snow. rain. Everest. Sahara. Birds. whales. Oxen. Giraffes. The superiority of man. wars. Hatred. a man laying down his life for a stranger. Need I go on to prove God is, nothing surprises Him, and that His word is an accurate portrayal account of creation, mans fall, and God’s faithful promises?
Ark, As I already stated, I have perused the Wedge Document. It is communist propaganda tailor written for stupid people.
It is pseudoscientific ID/ creationist bs. You believe in ID.
But as you say, it is for stupid people.
Ark, Intelligent design is obvious and therefore, reasonable. The purpose of science is not to prove the obvious. Science is but one of multiples ways to discover the principles of reality. You, an atheist, don’t get to dictate which method humanity uses to understand reality.
Atheism, the belief that everything just happened all by itself, is unscientific.
Being a science denier by creed, you also don’t get to demand that that everyone use science while at the same time shilling for the Wedge Document which itself is a denial of science.
As I stated earlier, the Wedge Document is communist propaganda pitched to stupid slaves who crave a regime that will control every aspect of their lives.
Being a Creationist means you are religiously Indoctrinated and thus, in the truest sense are most definitely a science denier.
The Wedge Document is the next best thing to the bible for an indoctrinated Catholic, such as you.
It rejects evolution and tacitly assets that your god, the genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh is behind everything.
And atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods.
Perhaps you should update your education so as not to make any more of an arse of yourself?
Just a thought….
Ark, I believe in God the Father Almighty Creator of Heaven and earth.
That beginning verse in the Apostles’ Creed is 100% logical . You believing that everything just happened all by itself, is irrational and thus 100% faith-based.
Why do you get to have 100% faith in the irrational, and I don’t get to believe what is obvious?
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Just have to say, THAT is a five star comment. Well done Silence.
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Again,you’re moving the goalposts.
ID is Creationism.
You are a Creationist and your god is the genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh.
The Wedge Document is all about smuggling Creationism into schools.
Meyer is a Creationist and acknowledged this fact regarding ID with the release of his book.
Ark, Quit using the language of logic. I did not move any goal posts. What I have done is patiently is respond multiple times to you repeating yourself and paying absolutely no attention to my comments.
Then please address the fact that Intelligent Design is nothing more than Creationism in a tatty frock, and the Wedge Document confirms this.
Ark, Considering intelligent design: asked and answered, multiple times. You are like a stupid parrot who doesn’t know when to remain silent.
You have offered AN answer.
However, it is wrong.
ID is creationism,and the ‘Creator’ ( sic) is the Christian god, Yahweh/Jesus of Nazareth.
Ark, By what standard do you get to tell someone they are wrong? If you believe everything just happened all by itself, why then, right and wrong are just a matter of personal opinion. Why is your own personal opinion so special that you can tell someone else they are right or wrong?
Evidence is the standard.
Ark, As I explained already, to you, evidence is anything that you agree with. Confirmation bias is the opposite of evidence.
Evidence is what can be produced to demonstrate the veracity of a claim.
You have so far failed to produce any such evidence.
Hilarious says the post author watching the train wreck.
You reject the ONLY evidence needed, which verifies the history and origin of man, his documented triumphs and failures, that is of course God’s word, which is consistently true and proven to be ‘the monarch of books,’ as it has no equal.
So of course you would dismiss/reject/ignore the setting and context of all your baseless claim.
‘The fear of the Lord is the Beginning of wisdom,’ and this is a reverential fear, like ‘awesomeness,’ without this you handicap yourself and will bring one excuse after another.
Do consider this with every reply of yours.
So you have no evidence to offer, merely dishing out more Indoctrinated apologetic drivel.
So tell me, why do you worship the Canaanite deity, YHWH?
Here’s a bonus clue:
A man may well be an uncle, brother, cousin, nephew, father, boss, and many more, but a brother speaks to his sister in a way that a boss cannot.
Your mind is too small regarding the Omnipotence of Almighty God. While some see him as angry, millions/billions see Him as a loving caretaker who is mistake free.
Again, nothing but indoctrinated drivel.
Truly, you do yourself no favours whatsoever when trying to defend your god, the genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh.
Ark, You haven’t produced anything that can demonstrate the veracity of your claims.
Whereas, my claims are so obvious, they are themselves evidence.
I am not making any claims regarding your god,Yahweh, other than what is obvious as written in the bible.
On that point I am quite willing to accept any assertion from you that suggests the written text ( bible) is nothing but myth and historical fiction.
Is this what you are asserting, SOM?
Ark, i was once a 6days/6000yrs kjv believer. i don’t know everything and prob couldn’t regurgitate the scientific info that changed my mind even if held at gun point. but i’ve managed to hold onto my Faith. Don’t ask me how, but i have.
I teach physics and math at a Catholic classical high school. We discuss everything and compare it to science. The first thing we learn is that there is no conflict between Catholicism and science.
Not sure id agree with you that generally as to science and Christian beliefs, but you’re entitled to your own opinion and discernment I guess.
Barabbas, It is a fact that there is no conflict between science and religion. You and your atheist buddy Ark are the only ones expressing personal opinions.
That’s because Catholicism is an invented religion based on supernatural, unsubstabtiated crap.
Science is not.
It’s called indoctrination and willful ignorance.
Both are ‘cureable’.
The only question is: Do you want to?
Well, do you?
Ark, Atheism is willful ignorance because it is the belief that everything just happens all by itself. Yet you establish yourself as an authority on all of knowledge without first addressing that fundamental fatal shortcoming of your 100% faith-based creed.
Wrong, that again Atheism is simply the lack of belu f in gods; your god, Yahweh and all the others
This lack of belief is based solely on the complete lack of evidence.
WHAT evidence will be sufficient for you to once and for all cease your childish tantrums/
If life itself in all its benefits, if the very soil you walk and plant on, if the history of the world ( the Bible) if death and love is not enough, WHAT is?
Put up or shut up.
You are making the positive claim.
The onus, as always, falls to you
Provide evidence of your god, Yahweh.
Ark, You have made the positive claim several times that I am wrong. Yet you offer no proof, no evidence, only your personal opinion, that what you claim is the truth.
If fact atheism is a positive claim: everything just happened all by itself.
You need to support that position. Otherwise you are just a dummy flapping his gums.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods, your god, the Canaanite deity, Yahweh, and every other known deity. This lack of belief is based on the total absence of evidence.
That is all atheism is. Period .
What individual atheists believe beyond this fact is entirely personal.
I have not made any mention of the universe being produced from nothing or any statement akin to this.
Again, perhaps you should update your education onwards and terms etc? After all, you claim you are a teacher, yes?
YOU make the claim that your god, the Canaanite deity, Yahweh is responsible so the onus is in YOU to produce evidence to demonstrate the veracity of your claim
Not faith, not clever argument, and not rhetorical theological clap trap.
So, over to you, Poindexter.
You have gum-flapped enough, I reckon
Evidence if you please.
If God is the Creator, and you don’t believe in God, please tell us how everything came to be.
Atheism literally means “no belief in God.” Since God is defined as the Creator, it follows logically that the atheist believes that everything just happened all by itself.
I have no idea how “everything came to be”.
The origin of the universe prior to the’ big bang’ are unknown.
Re your god.
‘If’ is the operative word in this entire discussion about your god, the Canaanite deity, Yahweh.
If you cannot provide evidence then all you have is an
unsubstantiated claim, a belief based on nothing more than faith.
This is the result of some form of indoctrination.
Ark, You are an atheist. That means you believe everything just happened all by itself. It is as simple as that.
Again please go educate yourself as every comment you post simply makes you come across as an Ignorant blithering idiot.
And if you teach physics as you claim then you should know this or you are telling lies.
Thank u ark for once again proving my premise in this post. You, Tyson, Nye, etc etc, all atheists, but all pretend to be geniuses. Truly hilarious.
Telling the Creatir He does not exist! Maybe you and Neil can go into the lab and create a pound of dirt or a liter of blood……..using nothing.
End of class, as your mouth is stopped. Seems your welcome had extended overtime. Maybe your own post highlighting your ‘wonderful’ demolition of believers?
Genius, moi? I make no pretense of any such thing.
Your bible provides all the material one could ever possibly need to show how vile your god, Yahweh truly is.
It is about time you practised the honesty regarding your god and your religion you demand of others.
C’mon ark- write a post highlighting how all of us around here are dunces. You can do it. Invite us then. Should make for a sprite thread.
Why? Not once in the years you and I have bantered have you ever acknowledged evidence, or been even remotely honest, but rather flooding almost every comment with the religious rhetoric and untenable waffle which is your Hallmark.
I would put down money that you would not even answer a straightforward question with an honest answer.
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Good gravy ark. I give evidence and honesty with every return comment.
Dirt. Blood. Bone. Gold. Coal. Water. Snow. Sinew. Male. Female. Whales. Birds. Lions. Elephants. Creator. Death. Wars. Birth. Power. Rape. Pillage. Depravity. Lust. Love….forgiveness……hope……..charity…….
See how easy and honest?
See? You make my case and I don’t even break a sweat.
Let’s test this shall we?
In genesis, did your god, Yahweh cause a global flood extinguishing all life save one incestuous family and a boatload of animals?
Yes or no?
Yahweh no. Israel was not yet a nation. Detail matters. Letters matter. Names matter. So you do err by not being careful. And this small point proves what I have been saying for decades, that sloppy reading leads to sloppy conclusions.
Until you concede your err in this most significant point, I will not engage the rest of your query.
As the tale comes from two sources, the priestly source, and the Yahwist, and likely composed in the 3rd century, then the god in question would have been Yahweh.
If you disagree then provide the name of the god responsible.
First things first. YOU made the false claim. Show WHERE in the account of the flood your allegation is verified.
No “false claim”.
As the tale is written by the Yahwist, and projected back to the beginning then it is obvious your god’s name is Yahweh .
However, as we know that the ancient Israelites were polytheists, we can assert that, based in evidence, and without fear of contradiction, the head of the pantheon would have been El.
Of course, we know what the Israelites did after the Babylonian captivity.
So, which god do you prefer?
El or Yahweh?
You fail this most basic of courses. I’m asking for the last time, WHERE in the narrative is the name of God mentioned????
You cannot understand chapter 7 if you can’t get right chapter two. Reading 101.
In Deuteronomy, Yahweh is said to be one of El’s sons.
Therefore Noah’s god would have been El.
Only later was the tale backdated and the Israelites adopted monotheism, and Yahweh declared the god of Israel.
I’m trying to help you here. Stay in Genesis. No law given to Israelites. Any name outside of Genesis is irrelevant and lays bare your false claims. Sorry. The names of God are in proportion relationship.
I previously told you about father/ brother/cousin. Same but different. Until u grasp this, no answer will make sense.
For Gods sake would you hang a man after hearing from the prosecution only? Then to find out later he had a twin brother.
Collect the pertinent and relevant information and u will come to a more harmonious outcome.
As I am sure you will acknowledge the tales were written as much for geopolitical reasons as much as anything else.
Therefore, to distance themselves from their Canannite origins the writers needed to show their god was superior, hence Yahweh’s elevation from e of El’s sons and part of the pantheon hee eventually became the sole god of Israel.
Though it is ironic that El still remained part of IsraEl!
So, putting aside the geopolitical, mythological and historical fiction of the Noachian flood story, which name would you prefer to attach to the god of Noah? El or Yahweh?
In the 1st of Genesis we read ‘God’ 32 times. ‘God’ over all creation. No relationship established. In the account of man, we read of ‘the Lord God.’
Only when Abraham was relevant, we read of ‘the most high God,’ and Almighty God.
I thank you in advance for noticing these distinctions. In your house are many rooms yet one house. All serve a different purpose.
For some reason though, you choose to live in the dark basement, no light. No insult here.
Again, your refusal to acknowledge the archaeology and the historical origins is telling as once again you resort to
dribbling yet another stream of indoctrinated apologetic prose.
The New Testament character Jesus of Nazareth makes no mention of the name of his father but we can agree his name is the god you worship, Yahweh.
Therefore as Yahweh is considered the creator god
it can be asserted that Yahweh is the god in question.
Do you agree?
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Chapter 1.
One God. Deal with it. In case people are deaf or blind, it is repeated 32 times.
Oh how the foolishness of man is revealed.
Yes, this is what the text says/describes.
Now, if you are honest with yourself, and your aim is the pursuit of historical accuracy and the truth of the text the first question you will surely wish to know is when this was written.
And of course you already know what the word ‘God’ means in the original language, yes?
So, tell me what the word is, CS, just to clear up any misunderstanding?
Tkx for steering us way off course per the initial repudiation of alleged geniuses. You should now get some idea of just how patient God is. Amazing how you fail to see the big picture.
Why does a herd of jackals decimate a family of deer? Why does the spider eat her mate? Right or wrong, why? God floods the earth, right or wrong, why? Who are you to determine ‘morality?’
I already gave you a clue as to WHY there’s a distinction between El Elyon, El Shaddai, and of course Elohim, so go find any ocean shore, and sit there still , thanking God for such creation and the ability to perceive it.
Genesis will always be true, even after the last atheist is born,
Your distinction is risible.
Now,enough of the disingenious apologetic nonsense.
Please tell us the name of Noah’s god.
Ark, By your own admission, you don’t even know what you are. Not knowing what you are, yourself, you are thus unable to tell me what I am. Yet telling people what they are is all you do, all the time.
What are you babbling on about?
Calm down and think before you type incoherent nonsense, for your god’s sake!
I’ll remain a Christian, ark. But thx again for the offer. Lol
As Forest Gump once remarked:
“Stupid is as stupid does.”
You should go read some of the deconversion testimonies from former professional clergy at Clergyproject.com
Or, go watch a video by a former fundamentalist, Seth Andrews.
The video is on YouTube.
It’s called: Christianity made me talk like an idiot.
Just type the title in the search bar.
Enlightening and astute.
Oh, and funny too!
Ah.. the old “you’re stupid” argument. Smells like ad hom to me. Lol. But no… not stupid at all. I would love to explain myself better over a Guinness on the back stoep, but alas… it prob wouldn’t help your confusion anymore than my comments have. Cheers ark. I’ll have one for you tonight
If you accept what you have been Indoctrinated with without verifying that such indoctrination is fact then how else would you describe such blind acceptance?
You have already admitted you were once a YEC.
How do you know other aspects if your faith are not similarly erroneous?
Again, don’t take my word for it, read the deconversion testimonies from former professional clergy from numerous theological backgrounds over at the Clergyproject. com
And Seth Andrews biting wit is spot on.
If he is wrong then you have nothing to worry about, do you?
Surely you are not afraid of a few scribblings from ex pastors and a video from a former Fundy?
What can be said more than what has been said? To paraphrase Agrippa’s quotation in Acts 26 “Almost thou persuadest me…” but not quite. Ark, you’re not the first, you won’t be the last to try to “help me out” of my “delusion”, but…”Christ is my life.. He is the One who lives. He Himself is now the Object of my attention… “. and as the song says… “I am occupied exclusively with the Son of God”.
Cheers and have a great day
Always try to have an excellent day.
Today I sowed a lot of veg seeds.
As you seem like a nice bloke I sincerely hope you are able to break free of the religious delusion that is Christianity.
Normality is so much more rewarding and nobody threatens you with eternal torture if you get it wrong now and then.
Sorry ark, you do a better job of sowing seeds of atheism. You remind me of a person who comes into the home of of a friend as a guest, then goes on for hours lecturing the homeowner how and why his dishes are wrong, his chairs in the wrong place, the design is wrong, the colours are troublesome, and the homeowner doesnt know how to manage his own household………… while the homeowner sits patiently for hours, not saying a word, allowing you to seethe in your petulance.
Sorry, but this is how you understand/don’t understand the word of God, then berate others who actually read, believe, understand, and love scripture.
Better yet, get a grip on the patience and long suffering of Almighty God.
Your apoltgetic nonsense has no bearing in fact,CS. In fact your comment did not address a single aspect of what is currently under discussion.
So, provide evidence or as you have said: “shut up”.
Tkx neighbor, but as a referee around here, I have to hand you a dozen red cards………….
God’s word is written for they with ears to hear. You pretend to be deaf. But I think you should campaign against the
African leopard. They are decimating the gazelles…………..
Yawehist yammering is useless,
It is a doctrine that is vile and cruel.
To torture the minds of young children,
And placate the heart of the fool.
Amen. Good to get some planting done and veg is great. Here it’s a bit early, but prob late Feb early March for us. And also, thx for the personal compliment. I do appreciate your kindness. I think generally you’re probably a nice bloke as well. I’d have a beer or a dram with you any time. I’ll have to refrain from my opinions on ECT though (What the majority of evangelical Christians would call Hell). Only to say that not all of us accept that as being the biblical teaching. Cheers until our next “sparring” match. Lol
One of my aims is to provide most of my family’s food( I am vegetarian, though the rest of my crew are not ).
It’s a long but very rewarding process.
Tonight we are having vegetable casserole and everything in the pot is from the garden. Pure unadulterated joy!
I tried vegetarian for a brief period. Although it works for me, it doesn’t for the wife. And it becomes difficult. Still try to be mostly veg, but the occasional fish, chicken or turkey. Can’t do red meats anymore.
Maybe you’ll give it another go one day?
I quit eating all meat and fish on the grounds that, if I wasn’t prepared to eat my dog then It was hypocritical to eat a pig or a cow.
Haven’t looked back since and my health is 100%.
And who the heck is Tesla? He is forgotten except by mega billionaire Elon Musk who named his phony baloney electric car after him.
Well Silence, he is not forgotten to me, as the quote up top lives on. Like you, I have no use for the likes of musk, and his gadgetry, rockets that go nowhere, unsafe cars, but he is smart enough to trade on the smarts of others, ie, tesla.
Great Lion, It was Albert Einstein who dethroned Isaac Newton, not Tesla. That is why Tesla is largely forgotten.
“Heard earlier today that ‘scientists’ have just heard radio waves, which TheySay- are billions of years old. THIS is what is known as guesswork”
Sorry, Great Lion, but science is not guess work. Measuring red shift is a technique used to measure the distance light has traveled before it is observed by scientists. Measuring the distance light travels is the same as measuring how long it has been traveling.
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Ha! Geniuses really are highly over rated and often quite mad! I have a feeling Nikola Tesla would not mind my saying that at all. He did lots of scientific work while he was here, but I think his greatest work was his love for pigeons.
One of my favorite Einstein quotes is, “A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty – it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.”
However poorly we people reflect the existence of God, in spite of how we have corrupted religion, Einstein went far enough down the rabbit hole to realize there is really is Someone there peering back at us, Someone comprised of profound reason and radiant beauty. God simply defies explanation, we just know Him when we experience Him.
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Some will no doubt say you are emotionally delusional for such a ‘rant.’ Ha! If that’s a rant, deal me in.
Truly msb, at the end of the telescope, the microscope, the oceans shore, and that deep search within our mind, the Creator has given us the ability to become little geniuses, to know what is innately obvious, and GOOD.
It’s why we memorialize people with dates on stone, so unlike the common housefly. Since we are made in His image, we have a live feed to Him, IF we want.
I get the pigeon thing, but I prefer the demure dove. 🙂
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IB, Tesla was a genius in the field of electronics. There is a unit of measure, the Tesla, named after him. The Tesla measures the strength of an electric field. Ohm, Coulomb, Ampere, Watt, Tesla are examples of units used in electricity that are named after scientists who worked in that field.
Unfortunately, there is no such thing as an Einstein.
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I don’t think intelligence is overrated. I think the problem is that the importance of wisdom is vastly unappreciated.
Consider this quote.
When we try to use science to answer questions for which it is not suited, we presume to know too much. Similarly, when we dogmatically refuse to carefully examine scientific proofs, we presume to know too much. There is a middle ground, but finding it requires us to set aside our prejudices.
Creation came into existence from nothing. The night sky is endlessly full of His glory. We live on a fragile world teeming with delicate and beautiful wonders and mysteries. To say it just happened all by itself makes no sense. We intuitively know that.
Logic dictates that saying that there is no God is to presume to know too much. On the other hand, logic requires the existence of a First Cause, a Designer, an eternal Being wholly sufficient to himself, independent of anything outside himself. Because if there if was a time when nothing existed, nothing would exist now.
Our obedience and worship are all we have to give our Creator in gratitude. To refuse to be grateful would require us to presume to know too much.
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Why would you show any sort of gratitude toward a genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, ( Yahweh) that demands your grovelling subservience on the osin of eternal damnation in Hell?
Typo: on the threat …
They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Can you imagine seeing everything through the eyes of an angel? How about a devil? What is it like to see things through your own eyes, Ark. Angelic or demonic?
Have you ever considered the possibility that your attitude influences how you see things and that determines the joy you get out of life? Frankly, it would be a waste of time to hate you? What could I do to you that is worse than what you doing to yourself?
What relevance this comment has us baffling.
Your god is the genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh.
Why would you worship such a decidedly vile character?
You are telling us what you see in the Bible, and you don’t see well. But I suppose you do see what you want to see.
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That’s a very good point Tom/ we see what we want to see.
God revealed Himself in many ways- to a particular people- El Elyon, El Shaddai, Jehovah Jirah, GOD, Father, Wonderful, and of course the God of all grace.
Since things were once ‘very good,’ per creation, it would serve the careful reason to note how and why things went dark, then light again. Enter man.
So men have NO legitimate excuse for blaming God for ANYTHING. It will always be a matter of the heart. There is plenty of fact and evidence if people were brutally honest.
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I read what is written. I relate
what is described in painstaking detail.
Yahweh is your god.
Yahweh is the Canaanite deity of war.
Yahweh is genocidal, committing it and commanding it.
He also sanctioned and codified slavery.
This is the god you worship.
Stop and think. Instead of repeatedly asking a question and not listening to the answer, stop and think.
If the Bible is what you say it is, why did Christians end slavery? No other countries except Christian countries made a serious attempt to end slavery until Christians did so. Because Christians thought slavery wrong, the people in the USA fought a bloody civil war. Yet, you complain slavery is sanctioned and codified in the Bible.
What was sanctioned and codified in the Bible? The humane treatment of slaves, not slavery.
When the Bible was written, both the Old and the New Testaments, no one thought slavery wrong. Now you do. Why? Because Christians taught you slavery is wrong. Yet because you don’t believe the Bible, you criticize the Bible that taught Christians slavery is wrong. That is how ridiculous you are making yourself.
My reply got mangled in the mix.
It is at the foot of the thread.
Ark, Please cite the source of all your statements. For example:
Yahweh is the Canaanite deity of war.
Yahweh is genocidal, committing it and commanding it.
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The bible, William Dever, to name two.
Are you saying your god Yahweh did NOT commit genocide?
Ark, There is nowhere in the Bible that uses the label genocide to describe God. There is nowhere in the Bible that uses the label, “Canaanite deity of war” to describe God.
Therefore, you are a shameless liar as is the fool William Dever who is simply expressing a personal opinion.
A proper citation from the Bible would give chapter and verse where the terms “genocide” and “Canaanite deity of war,” were used verbatim.
What a disgrace you are, Ark. Bigot. Liar. Fool.
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There is nowhere in the bible that uses the words myth, interpolation, fraud, or contradiction, but we know they are there.
According to the bible, your god,the Canaanite deity, Yahweh wiped out all living things with the exception of a bunch of animals , including dinosaurs according to some Indoctrinated delusional YEC, and one soon to be incestuous family in a global flood.
Seems you may have not read the Bible?
You’ll find the tale in Genesis.
That act constitutes genocide.
He also commanded it of Joshua. Read the bible, it’s right there. In the book if Joshua
That comes after the mythical tale of Exodus.
So, no, I am not a liar and I do not lie.
You may be a little upset at being called out?
Truth does that to some people and Indoctrinated religious folk are especially sensitive in this regard.
Yahweh is the god of war.
He is part of the pantheon headed by El, and later adopted by the Israelites, as their sole god and much later by Christians.
He also had a wife, Asherah.
Also in the Bible
You really ought to read it.
And although according to some,Catholics are not Christians as you claim you are it would certainly help your case if you did read the Bible. And maybe even study it?
Ark, You made some claims about the God of Bible based on the Bible itself. I asked you to cite chapter and verse from the Bible as evidence of your claim.
You failed. You expect evidence but provide none yourself.
Are you being an arse on purpose,Som?
The Noachian global flood tale in Genesis is an example of genocide committed by your god,
Do you seriously require me to cite chapter and verse?
How much of an bible ignoramus are you?
Ark, The atheist concept of a “genocidal Canaanite deity,” is self-evidently stupid and based solely on your religiously bigoted personal opinion. Why do you pour out your atheist stupidity upon Christians? And why should the human pursuit of truth pause to consider your self-evidently stupid personal opinion. Try a little truth for a change. Take a walk on the wild side.
I’m not bigoted at all.
You god, however…
The description of your god Yahweh, as described in the Old Testament, is accurate.
To reiterate:He is the Canannite war/ weather god. He is genocidal, meglomaniacal, pro slavery, bigotted and misogynistic.
A rather nasty piece of work all said and done. And you worship him.
This says more about you than your man made deity.
Ark, You say, “I am not bigoted at all,” after making one bigoted statement after another.
Exactly what have I written do you consider to be bigotted?
Ark, asked and answered. Please pay attention.
Then I obviously missed it.
Tell me again, exactly what you consider I am bigotted over?
So, some Christians developed a conscience over slavery?
( And for the record the Chinese beat Christians in this regard)
But that didn’t stop the US having a civil war over Slavery.
Neither did it out an end to segregation or racism.
So please don”t try the holier than thou attitude.
Christians still come out smelling bad.
Slavery was sanctioned and codified in the bible on the orders if your god, the Canaanite deity,Yahweh.
Please don’t be so churlish and demand chapter and verse Thank you.
The bible, and especially the OT is simply a revolting collection of ancient text which, in the main, shows the depravity of humanity and how ancient cultures behaved regarding supernatural clap trap
We live in the 21st century.
Don’t you think it is time we did away with all the supernatural garbage?
Since SOM is dealing with the remainder of your tiresome, unsupported assertions, I will stick with this one. When did the Chinese end slavery?
Well, at least you weren’t churlish and denied that,according to the bible your god, Yahweh sanctioned the keeping of slaves and instructed the Israelites how to keep them.
I find it baffling how so-called Christians are often so blatently ignorant of the contents of the bible.
Emperor Wang Mang. AD 9
Any other questions, Tom, feel free to ask.
You don’t do any serious research. You don’t know what you are talking about. You just issue ridiculous insults and play silly word games.
Emperor Wang Mang was unable to “abolish” slavery. It would be interesting to know for certain what he was trying to do, but he ran into too much resistance. He ended up rescinding his own order “abolishing” slavery. Try reading this: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/emperor-wang-mang-chinas-first-socialist-2402977/
Does God approve of slavery? No. The Bible allows for divorce, but God doesn’t approve of it. Look up what Jesus said about our hard hearts.
Anyway, I don’t agree with you about the Bible, but I see little value in trying to refute everything you say. One example is sufficient. If you cannot get the issue of slavery right, why should you be trusted to get anything right?
Yahweh codified and sanctioned slavery.
You have obviously not read your Bible recently.
As Jesus is simply Yahweh in human form he did little or nothing to condemn slavery either.
Even Paul accepted it.
Of course you don’t agree with me on the bible.
If you were obliged to be brutally honest you would then likely feel obliged to acknowledge just how vile your genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh truly was.
Those who have been able to face this fact and acknowledge that Yahweh is, like all other deities, simply the product of human imagination, have usually rejected supernatural clap-trap and deconverted.
Your current indoctrination won’t allow you to come to terms with this… Yet.
Re: Abolition of Slavery
Irrespective of Emperor Wang’s motivation, he was the first to abolish slavery.
Yes, he came under severe pushback, but that’s beside the point. He initially abolished it. That is undeniable fact.
My point stands.
Here is a quote from that article I linked to.
Emperor Wang Mang rule was full of chaos, but it seems clear he actually did not abolish slavery. He taxed it.
In the year 9, the Emperor Wang Mang usurped the Chines throne and to deprive land owning families if their power instituted a series of sweeping reforms, including the abolition of slavery and radical land reform.
It was reinstated in AD 12 before his assassination in AD 23.
You got your “evidence,” and you are sticking to it. Pathetic!
I have not tried to hide anything .
At least it is evidence.
You have declared yourself a sinner, sought salvation via the blood of a 1st century human sacrifice and worship a genocidal Canaanite deity.
All told which of us is truly pathetic?
Hmm, I wonder?
Let’s put what you said in plain language.
blockquote>HEY! LOOK AT ME! I parrot whatever hateful nonsense about Christianity I can find. If you don’t believe me, you are pathetic.
Even if you were right about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, what you are doing would still be wrong. That is because your behavior is sadistic. Instead of trying to persuade anyone with a rational argument, you are full of mockery and ridicule.
You are not trying help anyone. To feed your ego and build up yourself importance, you hurt and belittle others.
Perhaps you think I am doing the same. No. I have just pointed out that nobody needs to take your insults seriously.
Aftefso.nany thousands of years and millions slaughtered in the name of your god, the make believe genocidal meglomaniac Canaanite deity, Yahweh, and millions of children indoctrinated and abused, why on earth would you consider any argument?
After all, you are also Indoctrinated and would not likely be open to any reasonable discussion regarding your vile religion.
Therefore, facts and truth are eminently preferable to the lies of Christianity.
And so ordains the great and irrefutable Ark. Sigh!
When we pour poison into a fire anthill, it is not genocide. When God decides to cleanse the earth of most of humanity, it isn’t genocide. In fact, God had better reasons for cleansing the earth of most of humanity than we could ever come up with for killing ants. Ants just do what ant are supposed to do.
So, why isn’t Ark satisfied? God’s reasons could never satisfy the great and irrefutable Ark. Only Ark can decide the difference between good and evil. God’s reasons don’t matter to Ark, because God doesn’t matter to Ark. Ark says God does not exist.
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I have never said your god does not exist.
I do say that no evidence has ever been produced to demonstrate the veracity of your claim that your god exists.
Do you understand the gdifference between making a claim and providing evidence to show the veracity of that claim?
You call yourself an Atheist. The fundamental tenet of Atheism is that God does not exist. If you don’t know whether God exists, then you should call yourself an Agnostic. If you don’t like calling yourself an Agnostic, then don’t bother labeling yourself.
You behave like a militant Atheist. You actively oppose Theism. If you don’t know — honestly don’t know — whether God exists, then what is the point of trying to eradicate Christianity? Because Christians don’t teach their children what you believe? If you honestly don’t know whether God exists, then what is the moral basis for your complaints against Christianity? Why does everyone have to believe what you believe?
Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods
A – theism.
I can’t decide if you are simply ignorant or disingenious?
Christianity is revolting and its history supports this assertion.
When one considers its vile and heinous history it begs the question why anyone would follow this religion. So, Tom, tell us why you are a Christian?
You act as God does not exist because you want to believe God does not exist. You have counted the cost of believing in God, and you don’t want to pay the price. You are afraid.
Even if your god, the genocidal, meglomaniac Canaanite deity,Yahweh did exist I would not bow and scrape to such a vile entity.
That you have such low self-esteem and little personal integrity illustrates how weak- minded and credulous you have allowed yourself to be.
So, once more, A-theism is the lack of belief in gods; your god and all others so far paraded for humanity.
Now, why don’t you man up, step to the plate and tell us exactly why you declared yourself a sinner and desperately needed salvation from the first century human sacrifice, Jesus of Nazareth?
And for good measure you can include evidence as well.
I presume you are not afraid are you?
You have taken this post so far into the weeds, i must end it.
Iy is your commentary which is vile, period, against the only God and Lord of creation.
Your indoctrinated waffle is expected.
Your god, Yahweh committed genocide.
It’s right there in the bible.
To fact the tale is nonsense does not detract from the fact.