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Outbox interest, do you consider the moon to be a flat disc like the earth?
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Typo. SORRY. Out Of interest
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Ark
Never said earth is a flat disc. Surely you are aware of tromp l’oeil and how things are apparently deceptive a few feet away from our eyes. The bent straw in the water kind of thing.
Carry this thought to the heavens and it’s easy to see our arrogance on display, and how our assumptions are shattered.
I cannot explain the substance of the moon, and this unequalled light, any more than the sun.
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But do you consider it to be the same shape as our earth?
And fit that matter, what shape ( precisely) do you consider is the earth?
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Appears the same as far as circularity, but all circles are not globular, yes? Earth is most certainly circular, a horizontal plane proven by reason, facts, and thankfully, scripture.
At the end of the day, it’s a discussion many have no interest in. But that moon pic is unbelievable.
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It is a great picture. But what shape do you believe the moon is?
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i do know that contrary to what is popular, the stars are proven to be shimmering lights, not rocks juggling about. I take this in context w/ your question, that is, i’m not convinced other than its circularity.
Lights have strange properties. I have heard well thought individuals assert the moon is plasma of sorts with a perpetual innate light source. . Never met anyone who thinks its a frisbee.
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Sorry, are you suggesting the moon generates its own light?
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Indeed tis true.
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And there was I thinking you weren’t completely delusional and round the bend.
I’m curious, not meaning to pry too much into things personal and all that, but we have sort of known each other for ages, do you have any kids?
I forget if I have asked you before. Apologies if you told me already.
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yessir-two daughter/son
well accomplished/ her a pianist extraordinaire/world traveler/
him multi-talented web designer/ sales etc/
Both very good people/ takes after mother. lol
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Sound like kids to make a parent proud. Good for you.
Did they manage to distance themselves from your somewhat odd beliefs?
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Odd? 20 genders is odd.
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I was referring to your beliefs regarding things, such as religion, your off the wall views about the shape of the earth, the moon and moon landings etc
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Yep I know. They know all about the magic of fish eye lensing, where a water skier i in photos is alleged to be skiing over the curve. It’s nauseous, fortunately, they are not gullible.
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Are you asserting your kids subscribe to the same views about the shape of the earth, the planets, stars etc as you do?
Do they also believe the moon landings are fake and were staged!
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Ha! With their knowledge of media/ production / manipulation work/ here’s a common reply: ‘Dad, no one our age believes that stuff.
Seems they are ahead of the curve.
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Just to clarify because getting a straight answer is sometimes difficult with you.
Do your kids:
A. Believe the moon landings were staged/ did not happen? Yes/ No
B. Do they consider the earth and the moon are flat? Yes/No
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My questions are far more relevant:
Do you think a man can/ did have a phone conversation from ‘space’ with zero issues w/ connections/ in a day when wireless was in diapers- when In fact: you lose connection in an elevator talking to a friend 100′ away….. or, you lose net connection when a truck rolls up the road- while we have all the latest gadgetry and so called ADVANCED SPACE AGE high tech?
Further, WHY was the chief animator Walt Disney upon by NASA to assist in the alleged landing? And the Allen belts? The NASA genius Don Petit said ‘the documents were all destroyed……..’. why?
As I said, these are finer questions, and irrelevant what my family thinks.
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I am going to presume by your refusal to yet again offer a straightforward answer that your children do not agree with your anti scientific conspiracy theory views.
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Sorry ark/ your last sentence is reason enough that this convo will never satisfy you.
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Your refusal to speak honestly vindicates my presumption.
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I have always spoken honestly. Scripture is true.
Genesis 1 is most accurate. The sun stood still by degrees. What some people call foolish is diamonds to another.
Our children are gems. Creative thinkers. You want cartoons? Go to Disneyland. Enough said.
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Then answer truthfully.
Do your children hold the same beliefs as you regarding the shape of the earth and the moon landings?
Yes or no?
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Classic sleight of hand ark.
Started with an outstanding pic of the moon- I addressed your queries- asked You pointed ques re. Phone tech/ Disney/ etc, all more important than satisfying your curiosity re. family affairs, none of which adds to our topic.
I keep a very low profile on personal stuff/ for their sake too and unnecessary aggravation-
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Not at all. Me asking about your children was a logical extension of our conversation and, based on how well rounded your kids sound me wondering if this well-roundedness extended to critical thinking regarding science and our planet etc.
Your initial warmth in sharing about your kids was typical if any proud parent. I am exactly the same about my two.
Your refusal to be open and honest about whether they hold the same views as you suggests they do not and instead acknowledge scientific evidence and reject the type of conspiracy theories you espouse.
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Great Lion, Being a good father is irrelevant to the fact of being science illiterate.
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Tkx S/
I do agree with that statement. Reminds me of the people who think there are 20 genders who say they live on a spinning ball , where buildings, trains, butterflies, leaping tigers, waterfalls, helicopters, and all sports players, are all moving at immeasurable speeds no one has ever seen, are all using their same reasoning skills to arrive at such preposterous conclusions.
Don’t know why you can’t agree with common sense Silence.
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Great Lion, your understanding of the cosmos went out the window 500 years ago during the Copernican Revolution when our understanding of the natural world (science) was permanently separated from religious mythology and dogma.
We disgrace God by willfully refusing to understand the world the way he created it.
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I’m sure old Copper and Gal were very nice people, albeit, they were no doubt not happy accepting the world as it is. AI was alive and well even then.
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Great Lion, Solar and lunar eclipses prove conclusively that the moon does not generate its own light. Light from the sun is what illuminates all objects in the solar system.
Without the sun, space is cold and dark.
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Sorry Silence, the bright and morning star appear on schedule ALONE, for a moment, to laugh at so called silence, for they, like the moon, declare the glory of God, needing no help from a sun who serves a different purpose.
They are illuminating y the Creator, who dwells in the Light, and He made them so.
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Great Lion, The Morning Star (the planet Venus) goes through phases just like the Moon. This proves that Venus, like the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.
Galileo discovered that in 1609 over 400 years ago.
Again, science illiteracy is affront to God who gave us science so that we could not only glory in his creation, but understand it as well.
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Sooooooo, Silence. All the innumerable stars in the heavens, are given their light courtesy of the sun?
What are you smoking? By the way, there is a difference between daylight and sunlight. There was LIGHT before the sun was created , ON THE FOURTH DAY……
This ends all lopsided controversy.
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Great Lion, The sun is a star, one of about 100 billion that make up our Milky Way galaxy. The Morning Star is Venus, which is a planet.
It is now known that planets form as a natural part of star formation. Stars get their energy from the fusion of the element hydrogen into helium. The fusion come about because of gravity.
We are able to see planets in the sky because they reflect light radiated out from the sun.
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The moon is a ‘pretender’ to the throne of light and heat that rightly belongs to the “greater light to rule the day” that it reflects to us at night.
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Tkx bar- but disagree. No pretense there. It is simply a lesser light serving a different purpose.
Not lesser in terms of importance, but lesser terms of light. They were both created on the 4th day- AFTER daylight was already in existence.
Remember the sun is temporary- ‘the glory of God and the Lamb is the light thereof.’
You have a huge problem agreeing w/ atheistic mindset that says the stars receive their light from the sun. Pllllllease spare the philosophy.
I reject the lying science of today entirely that force feeds opinions with zero facts. It appreciate the input.
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Great Lion, There are many kinds of light and many sources of light. The light coming from LED light bulb in your kitchen is an example
The light from Creation was detected nearly 60 years ago. It is called the cosmic background radiation. It became visible light about 400,000 years after Creation. Before then, the universe was too dense for light to escape.
Hydrogen and Helium were the first two elements that resulted from Creation. Because of gravity they formed stars. Stars shine because they are so hot.
These are the facts. Your tale is what is called a myth. Like the pagan ancient Greeks yours is a religious myth.
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God and one is a majority S.
I am obviously not impressed by men’s math formulation to explain what is simple. The Creator is not stupid to allow a handful of infidels to theorize His creation.
A child sees a bird fly, and the sun moving overhead, yet, Yet, YET, he needs a ‘scientist’ to tell him his eyes are lying to him.
Be careful not to offend the little ones. No wonder we see 16 yr old kids who can neither read, write, or spell, but strange, they will tell you for sure the earth is a spinning g ball. Yeah, ok, now there is an education.
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Great Lion, It is impossible to understand the cosmos with common sense. Common sense is for everyday activities.
The cosmos is too vast and the components that compose it are too small to be grasped by common sense.
The laws of nature were written in the language of mathematics. Thankfully, men like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Isaac Newton and Einstein have done the heavy lifting for us.
We need only contemplate their discoveries and our minds grow closer to God.
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Tic S/
But the ‘common sense’ is the same argument you use against atheists and rightly so. You ask:
‘Can non life create life, or, did things happen by themselves.’
It’s spiritual common sense. Romans 1 says the creation is ‘self evident,’ that is, it’s OBVIOUS.’
Men are WITHOUT EXCUSE says the good book. The conscience proves it.
It is this precise parallel by way of comparison when He gives us the ability, the reasoning, the common sense as it were, to discern whether the sun and moon are moving overhead, while earth is still as death, just as it appears. He is not expecting us to rely on guys with sticks to tell us what is in
Plain sight. We are not asked to suspend our brains.
Once more, the sun and moon were created on the 4th day. Science has no recourse but to bow in humble worship to He above all.
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Great Lion, Talking to people, even atheists, is an everyday activity subject to common sense.
Understanding Creation (the cosmos) is beyond common sense for the reasons I have already stated.
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John, I would not agree that other stars also get their light from the sun, our solar systems star. The moon is not a “light”, it’s a rocky object orbiting earth as a satellite. The sun is a star that gives is light and Heat. The other stars do the same.
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God who made them, said the moon is a light. He was dogmatic and there was no need to ‘spiritualize’ what He said, any more than the fact Eve was made after Adam.
Also, The sun stood still. Expositors explain it away because it challenges their artificial theories as it makes them uncomfortable.
Words mean things, as Genesis is meant to either take it or leave it. No dreams to be interpreted, so you can see why I loathe modern science.
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Me, Even the photo of the Moon that the Great Lion uses in this post refutes the idea that the Moon is self illuminating. Much of the image of the Moon is dark. If the Moon were a light, there would be no darkness in it.
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Great Lion, If you look at the Moon through a telescope you will see mountains and craters that cast shadows. Those shadows change as the Moon revolves around the Earth, which revolves around the Sun.
These shadows are more conclusive proof that the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.
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Ark is one sad dude. He expects you to furnish personal information so he can use it against you? Of course, he would never do the same.
I gave up trying to convince you that the earth is spherical. So long as you don’t have a job where that knowledge is relevant, what difference does it make? God isn’t going to send you to Hell because of it. Well, at least it doesn’t seem likely. On the other hand, promoting the LGBT agenda is almost guaranteed to get the people who do that into some kind of trouble.
As far as I can tell, the world is full of sinners, rebels against a Holy, all-powerful God. Hard to be more wrongheaded than that. And yet we all are so wrong.
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Tkx CT/
As to the spherical thing, don’t give up! We can both be wrong but we can’t both be right. You are asked to believe things inconsistent with nature and common sense.
If something is true, it can stand the most severest of honest scrutiny. And it is this scrutiny which convinced me to reject the globe theory of atheistic science.
The Creator has made man upright, not like insects who can cling to ceilings upside down, and traverse a basketball with ease.
The sun moves like a clock, keeping time and regulating temperature, the seasons, it’s a magnificent time piece of you study the matter, proving surveys by way of degrees and minutes.
But it is disheartening to hear people say ‘it matters little.’ I say is God’s word true and is He trying to fool us? But always appreciate the tone in which you disagree, a rare bird today.
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